View Poll Results: Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by judith1 View Post
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Not if they were a separate nation.

    As mentioned before, the right to secede was supported by every state in the nation, up until someone actually did it.
    You.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Context is important, but then you already know that. You can still be a useless POS and bring in decent government money if your representatives can make it happen. There are whole communities that are doing better than some of those counties even though they have generational welfare. Really no mystery when you have a racist president.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
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    Excellent support for your position... I love it.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Excellent support for your position... I love it.
    I've been around the rodeo one too many times to keep repeating myself for people who are immune to learning or reading actual history. Lost Cause mythology repetition gets so boring after a while.


    But you can start with this, if you care to...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064592084 (Would you support the right of Texas to secede?)


    Or even more basic: "levying war against them"

    Article III, Section 3, U.S. Constitution.

    Also to: "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation"

    Article I, Section 10

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    I note as well you didn't bother to refute my post #929 -- just skipped right over it. Wonder why...hmmm.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Here's a great quote from one of Lincoln's contemporaries:

    "The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it were intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It is intended for perpetual union, so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government (not a compact) which can only be dissolved by revolution, or by the consent of all the people in convention assembled."

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Folk lore? Hmmmm are you saying those veterans lied to my granddaddy and his Benedictine company? Somehow I doubt it.
    Much of what has been spread as gospel by some non-Southern people here has been folk lore. A few examples:

    Nathan Bedford Forrest was a founder of the KKK.

    Nathan Bedford Forrest was the first Grand Wizard of the KKK.

    Both are undocumented and anecdotal. That hasn't stopped ignorant people from repeating it again and again. The north won the war and they wrote much of the history which in many cases was undocumented and sometimes completely false. The north was scared ****less of Bedford Forrest and thus northern historians created myths about Forrest.

    People who have read books and articles about the War Between the States, people who know and understand and/or were brought up with Southern traditions and Southern culture, know full well that there are astounding number of people on DP who've done nothing more than a Google search - at best - before lecturing the rest of us with feigned authority about facts they don't have.










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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    I've been around the rodeo one too many times to keep repeating myself for people who are immune to learning or reading actual history. Lost Cause mythology repetition gets so boring after a while.


    But you can start with this, if you care to...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064592084 (Would you support the right of Texas to secede?)


    Or even more basic: "levying war against them"

    Article III, Section 3, U.S. Constitution.

    Also to: "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation"

    Article I, Section 10

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    I note as well you didn't bother to refute my post #929 -- just skipped right over it. Wonder why...hmmm.
    LOL....

    When the secede.... they cease to be a state of the United States..... and thus the constitution does not apply to them.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    LOL....

    When the secede.... they cease to be a state of the United States..... and thus the constitution does not apply to them.
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064780413

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
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    People who have read books and articles about the War Between the States, people who know and understand and/or were brought up with Southern traditions and Southern culture, know full well that there are astounding number of people on DP who've done nothing more than a Google search - at best - before lecturing the rest of us with feigned authority about facts they don't have.
    Good thing I know my history, eh? To repeat a post from earlier in the thread:

    It's what I do for a living.

    For decades.

    BTW: The reason for my user name is because I work with original documents, letters from the Revolutionary War Era to Civil War - some that are now in museums and Institutions. Some have been written about in books.

    Thousands of original Civil war soldiers letters have passed through my hands, Confederate, and Union, (which of course involves a great deal of research) -- as well as original items signed by near every CW General and near every Founder and President...

    Letters and docs actually signed by Jefferson Davis and Abraham Lincoln. Yes. I've touched the exact same paper they touched.

    It's pretty humbling, and it really does give me a depth in history few know of, and quite a unique perspective.

    In addition, I have literally thousands of original newspapers, pamphlets, books in my archives from the 1840's 50's and 60's. I use original sources.

    Going on 30 years now, I have been eating, drinking and breathing history in my each and every day. I think I'm qualified, and from my perspective, it is the many of these Southern neo-confederates types and like-minded people here who have attached to the rewrite of history that was started in the 1890's Lost Cause and is still seeped into the Southern Zeitgeist.

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