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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Uh, you were talking about the level of voters who hold to segregationist views that voted for Thurmond....and I asked you to continue on discussing THAT idea......but suddenly you switch to discussing Helms!

    OK.

    Let's go with that.....what percent of voters that held to segregationist views voted for Helms?
    No I merely pointed out that while the segregationists in South Carolina loved Thurmond there were plenty of people in NORTH Carolina who loved Jesse Helms. As for percentages of who was segregationist and who was not, I really do not know. I have lived in North Carolina long enough to know that its a blood red state, and South Carolina is about as bad. North Carolina, as we discovered, is a good ol boy club state. Jesse Helms was in cahoots with that club here in NC and I'm sure Thurmond was in SC. So you see the Carolinas are similar
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea why you are limiting the statements of secession to Mississippi.
    Because we know Mississippi was all about slavery. Doesn't mean the whole south was.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    No I merely pointed out that while the segregationists in South Carolina loved Thurmond there were plenty of people in NORTH Carolina who loved Jesse Helms.
    I didn't negate that you talked about Helms, but you did decide to not continue discussing segregationists for Thurmond.
    As for percentages of who was segregationist and who was not, I really do not know.
    Again, that is not what was being discussed by you....OR me.
    I have lived in North Carolina long enough to know that its a blood red state, and South Carolina is about as bad. North Carolina, as we discovered, is a good ol boy club state. Jesse Helms was in cahoots with that club here in NC and I'm sure Thurmond was in SC. So you see the Carolinas are similar
    No doubt, but you continue to ignore the topic.....the topic you brought up.....the same topic that you are continuing to avoid in this post. I suppose it is "effective" for you to change the subject/avoid the subject/respond with something unrelated to the subject, but it is all just different ways of losing the debate.

    If you are not here to take a position and defend it in debate.....wtf are you here for?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Because we know Mississippi was all about slavery. Doesn't mean the whole south was.
    Any state that joined the Confederacy....was "all about" slavery. It was the economic and ideological cornerstone of the Confederacy.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Any state that joined the Confederacy....was "all about" slavery. It was the economic and ideological cornerstone of the Confederacy.
    So I guess you don't care that they were tired of being heavily taxed to pay for the war of 1812 then
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I didn't negate that you talked about Helms, but you did decide to not continue discussing segregationists for Thurmond. Again, that is not what was being discussed by you....OR me. No doubt, but you continue to ignore the topic.....the topic you brought up.....the same topic that you are continuing to avoid in this post. I suppose it is "effective" for you to change the subject/avoid the subject/respond with something unrelated to the subject, but it is all just different ways of losing the debate.

    If you are not here to take a position and defend it in debate.....wtf are you here for?
    You asked the percentages, I just don't know, and no one probably does. If not telling you what you want to hear bothers you, well I tell it as is
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    That's where research comes in. You will learn that slavery was not the overall main issue.
    Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stevens disagree with you.


    Alexander Stevens, vice president of the Confederacy made this statement the day the Civil War began:


    " Many governments have been founded upon the principle of the subordination and serfdom of certain classes of the same race; such were and are in violation of the laws of nature. Our system commits no such violation of nature’s laws. With us, all of the white race, however high or low, rich or poor, are equal in the eye of the law.

    Not so with the negro. Subordination is his place. He, by nature, or by the curse against Canaan, is fitted for that condition which he occupies in our system. The architect, in the construction of buildings, lays the foundation with the proper material -- the granite; then comes the brick or the marble. The substratum of our society is made of the material fitted by nature for it, and by experience we know that it is best, not only for the superior, but for the inferior race, that it should be so.

    It is, indeed, in conformity with the ordinance of the Creator. It is not for us to inquire into the wisdom of His ordinances, or to question them. For His own purposes, He has made one race to differ from another, as He has made “one star to differ from another star in glory. The great objects of humanity are best attained when there is conformity to His laws and decrees, in the formation of governments as well as in all things else. Our confederacy is founded upon principles in strict conformity with these laws."


    The Civil War Was About Slavery. Confederate Leaders Were Totally Clear On This.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Here's my flag. I hope it offends everyone.

    Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]-10641283_1123360484344006_4796357883609559641_n-jpg

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    So I guess you don't care that they were tired of being heavily taxed to pay for the war of 1812 then
    Nevermind, that the South had a free labor force.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Because we know Mississippi was all about slavery. Doesn't mean the whole south was.
    Other states also gave slavery as an important if not central reason for secession.


    Why are you ignoring this - from the infamous Cornerstone Speech of cConfederate States of America Vice President Alexander Stephens on March 21, 1861

    The new Constitution has put at rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institutions—African slavery as it exists among us—the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson, in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old Constitution were, that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with; but the general opinion of the men of that day was, that, somehow or other, in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away... Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the idea of a Government built upon it—when the "storm came and the wind blew, it fell."
    He leaves no doubt as to the purpose of the Confederacy.
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