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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%

  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%
  • Total voters
    182
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digitusmedius said:
I didn't think you'd agree.




Which makes your lack of awareness about how racism is expressed in this country puzzling. Maybe it's your age. Are you under 40? A lot of people born after the CRAs went into effect probably didn't get much education about what it was like before. A lot of people liked to pretend the CRAs solved all of that ugliness. They did not. Certain "entitled" whites have been grousing about the loss of their political and social domination ever since.



I've heard that. About Australia, too. Both countries settled by English imperialists, much like this one (USA). It's a shame.



I don't dismiss them but they are a very tiny portion of the black community. Some of them are vocal just to be contrarian, I think. They don't want to be seen as part of a"pack." One of the knocks on black voters that the right wing attacks them with (oh great way to win 'em over, eh?) is that they vote as too solid a bloc, suggesting that they aren't smart enough to make and informed choice (another winning tack, right) seems to get to these guys. Never mind that republicans have their white, rightwing voting blocs that are every bit as loyal to them as black voters are to most Dem politicians. Probably thinks this makes them fascinating. I think that's the kind of thing that gets people like Ben Carson into rightwing politics. Republican voters like to vote 'em up in polls but not very much so when the actual primaries get rolling. Along comes some shiny bigot like Trump and no one even remembers who Carson is. Of course, he does get attention for his crackpot fundamental religiosity, too.

I've followed some of your other comments and it seems that you and I are not very far apart in general. It comes down to politeness, I think. You think a lot of people who don't earn it should be treated that way anyway. I don't. Civility doesn't really work with people who yearn to live in the 9th century.
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Australia was settled by English Imperialists?
 
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Black Dog said:
Then claim blacks who break off the liberal plantation are somehow self hating.
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This statement I attribute to the success the rightwing has had in causing some black men and women to somehow feel ashamed of their past. I'm sure that's what makes Ben Carson such a confused and bizarre person. He grew up on welfare and got the benefit of equal oppotunity legislation which allowed him to get to the top of his profession. But now he's a vicious critic of those very openings of opportunity and assistance he benefitted from. Rightwingers have been very successful in manipulating that over the years. There's also a factor of the black church in many parts of the country. It can be as far right in its preaching as any of the white extremist ones can--e.g. on the issue of homosexuality and abortion (also one of those issues that the extreme white rightwing tries to viciously claim is some plot aimed at just black women's pregnancies--one of the most despicably race-baiting things they do but it does hook some black men particularly into its sewer). I guess you do believe you speak for all blacks, though, judging from your stridency and quick-to-anger responses when challenged by that question.
 
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Ahlevah said:
Defending himself from what? A neighborhood watch captain who was following him? Being followed doesn't give you the right to assault someone and try to smash his head into a concrete sidewalk, which is what the forensic evidence in the Zimmerman trial indicated.
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A neighborhood watch creep who was asked not to follow Martin by the dispatcher, agreed not to do so and then did it anyway. So OJ Zimmerman had the right to stalk and murder Martin but Martin did not have the right to confront his stalker and deal with his perceived threat. Thanks for expressing the white supremacist view of the world so succinctly. Looks like in your case the sins are still being committed. BTW, have you been following the exploits of your "hero" since he murdered Martin? Now there's the behavior of a thug, all right. But I guess since he doesn't wear a hoody and he's got white skin it's all okay. Such rightwing bull****.
 
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digitusmedius said:
Unless the blacks are Scottish or Irish nationalists I can't imagine why anyone would tell you something that stupid.
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Lol. I saw it on a website. Thought it was damn funny. People ARE that stupid though.
 
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digitusmedius said:
This statement I attribute to the success the rightwing has had in causing some black men and women to somehow feel ashamed of their past. I'm sure that's what makes Ben Carson such a confused and bizarre person. He grew up on welfare and got the benefit of equal oppotunity legislation which allowed him to get to the top of his profession. But now he's a vicious critic of those very openings of opportunity and assistance he benefitted from. Rightwingers have been very successful in manipulating that over the years. There's also a factor of the black church in many parts of the country. It can be as far right in its preaching as any of the white extremist ones can--e.g. on the issue of homosexuality and abortion (also one of those issues that the extreme white rightwing tries to viciously claim is some plot aimed at just black women's pregnancies--one of the most despicably race-baiting things they do but it does hook some black men particularly into its sewer). I guess you do believe you speak for all blacks, though, judging from your stridency and quick-to-anger responses when challenged by that question.
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I am not angry about anything. I am sitting here laughing at your insane and comically entertaining posts.

Please feel to free to point out how my posts look "quick to anger" when all I did was thank someone for a post. You Mr. Projection, then jumped in. So who is quick to anger?

So I will leave you with your asinine hot mess of a post. Your posts are really not even worth responding to. :lol:
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Yes, I've often read where the convicts who settled Australia preferred to be called "Imperialists". Cheeky buggers.
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Since it was a penal colony, it's no longer an example of imperialism?

Is this a serious claim...? GIS "imperialism definition" and let me know if building a prison on land you acquire through military force fits.
 
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Caine said:
OJ Was innocent. Civil suits are often based on emotion. Not the same with criminal trials.

Do I FEEL that OJ was guilty? Sure. But I wouldn't argue that he is guilty though.
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I mean, i hear what you're saying, from a legal standpoint, you would have to argue that he is not guilty.

But all that really says is that we couldn't prove he was guilty.

One of my old friends from high school (we don't keep in touch much b/c of his meth habit) told me that, if you end up in a courtroom, you probably did it.
 
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Absentglare said:
Since it was a penal colony, it's no longer an example of imperialism?

Is this a serious claim...? GIS "imperialism definition" and let me know if building a prison on land you acquire through military force fits.
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Settler is synonymous with Imperialist? :roll: Are you using a Wisconsin thesaurus?
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Australia was settled by English Imperialists?
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The criminals would disagree with you about them being imperialist. This person knows nothing about historical evidence and the issues why the south fought the war. I have given many examples of why we decided to fight against the north.

I reworded the sentence, because I used "this boy knows nothing", I don't want to be called a racist by him...."
 
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Although to many it does not represent racism or hate, it is historically rooted in both. It symbolizes rebellion, and the cause for rebellion- in the succeeding states own hand- was penned as a refusal to free the slaves, and alter the subjugation of an entire race for profit. If you fly that flag you should read up on its intended historical meaning, not the candy coated ignorance of today. Knowing its origins and history, I find it appalling.
Those who do not see it as a symbol of hate or segregation are in dire need of a history lesson. Seriously.
 
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I am very late to this conversation, but no the "Rebel" flag should not be abolished under freedom of speech. However, it should have no place any where in this country flying over a government building or land.
 
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Caine said:
OJ Was innocent. Civil suits are often based on emotion. Not the same with criminal trials.

Do I FEEL that OJ was guilty? Sure. But I wouldn't argue that he is guilty though.
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The OJ trial was joke.
 
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tlmorg02 said:
I am very late to this conversation, but no the "Rebel" flag should not be abolished under freedom of speech. However, it should have no place any where in this country flying over a government building or land.
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I don't think it should be banned. But i would condemn its use as an icon of racism. And i abhor that a false historical narrative is being used to justify the popular use of an icon of racism. Aversive racism is a big enough problem already.

Moot said:
The OJ trial was joke.
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Bah, DNA evidence isn't very conclusive. Let's just throw that out.
 
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Absentglare said:
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Bah, DNA evidence isn't very conclusive. Let's just throw that out.
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And if the gloves don't fit...try a little spit. lol
 
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digitusmedius said:
Or how about someone walking home in the rain?
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Was Treyvon walking home in the rain?

Jesus, bhot, just when I think we have common ground you go all rightwing-meme on me again.
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Right wingers were hoodies too... but I am not sure why my comment would illicit a political accusation.

Again, I have to conclude this statement is due to your out-of-touch situation being a long way from here.
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I taught inner city high school riddled with black and Hispanic gangs... I think I know full well what I am talking about. What is your experience?

Of course, Wilson did not know that when he stopped Brown--his own department admitted that.
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Deflection. Wilson did not term Brown a thug... the media and America did after seeing the video

Besides, even if Wilson had known that, summary execution by cop is not what we like to call "due process" (or don't they have that in NZ and you've forgotten about it?). You also might not be aware that the murder of Brown was just one of a wave of such murrders of unarmed black men in this country by cops (or civilians in the case of Martin). I never cease to be amazed at the lengths to which some whites will go to justify these murders, like the use of broad crime statistics to justify the unjustifiable murder of one black teen.
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I like this section. :)

I don't agree with you so I have forgotten about law, am not aware of "murders" and justifying execution by cop. :lol:

Seriously?

White thugs, black thugs, criminal thugs. That about cover it? | | Dallas Morning News

That's what it is, all right. An attempt to cover it.
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A cover up? Just when I thought we were agreeing you go all Conspiracy on me. ;)

Only thing missing is that part where these alleged unarmed "white thugs" are being murdered by cops. Got any examples of that?
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Red Herring. A logical fallacy.

White thugs not being shot by cops does not mean that black thugs being shot by cops is a racially motivated murder spree being covered up. :roll:
 
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Risky Thicket said:
Australia was settled by English Imperialists?
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Yes? How can it be viewed in any other manner?

Imperialism | Definition of imperialism by Merriam-Webster

Yes, I've often read where the convicts who settled Australia preferred to be called "Imperialists". Cheeky buggers.
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What does being a convict have to do with England setting up a colony? Most "convicts" were guilty of very minor crimes and were pardoned so that they could go there, start over and help build the colony.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Was Treyvon walking home in the rain?



Right wingers were hoodies too... but I am not sure why my comment would illicit a political accusation.



I taught inner city high school riddled with black and Hispanic gangs... I think I know full well what I am talking about. What is your experience?



Deflection. Wilson did not term Brown a thug... the media and America did after seeing the video



I like this section. :)

I don't agree with you so I have forgotten about law, am not aware of "murders" and justifying execution by cop. :lol:

Seriously?



A cover up? Just when I thought we were agreeing you go all Conspiracy on me. ;)



Red Herring. A logical fallacy.

White thugs not being shot by cops does not mean that black thugs being shot by cops is a racially motivated murder spree being covered up. :roll:
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Yeah i have no idea how you can justify shooting someone for wearing a hoodie. I wear hoodies all the time. They are comfortable. My ears get cold when i'm walking my dogs, it's below zero and i don't have a hood on. Does that make me a thug, where my right to due process is suspended...?

Wilson did use lethal force. By many accounts, Brown's actions did not justify the use of that force. If Wilson concluded that Brown was a thug, and used that to determine the use of lethal force, then we might have a case. As you say, we don't really have a case for that.

An absence of evidence, however, does not mean we have proven his complete innocence.

The issue, really, isn't one murder. It's this acceptance, that when a white cop shoots a black kid, the black kid probably deserved it. We do give the cop the benefit of the doubt, after all, he's putting his life on the line.

But, we know, we all know; some of these cops shouldn't be wearing the badge. And the country isn't doing enough to ensure social justice for black Americans.
 
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Absentglare said:
Yeah i have no idea how you can justify shooting someone for wearing a hoodie. I wear hoodies all the time. They are comfortable. My ears get cold when i'm walking my dogs, it's below zero and i don't have a hood on. Does that make me a thug, where my right to due process is suspended...?
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Context is very important. I was not talking about shooting people for wearing hoodies.

Wilson did use lethal force. By many accounts, Brown's actions did not justify the use of that force. If Wilson concluded that Brown was a thug, and used that to determine the use of lethal force, then we might have a case. As you say, we don't really have a case for that.

An absence of evidence, however, does not mean we have proven his complete innocence.
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I am not arguing that Wilson is innocent of targeting a black man.

The issue, really, isn't one murder. It's this acceptance, that when a white cop shoots a black kid, the black kid probably deserved it. We do give the cop the benefit of the doubt, after all, he's putting his life on the line.
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A lot of them do. Not all. A lot. I worked in a high school (inner city) riddled with gangs and these were not nice black and Hispanic boys. They were terrorists scaring people and harming them. When some were killed by cops or by other gang guys it made sense. I thought it sucked that their life ended up being so crappy but that is the life they lived.

But, we know, we all know; some of these cops shouldn't be wearing the badge. And the country isn't doing enough to ensure social justice for black Americans.
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Absolutely... I am well known here for bashing cops that abuse power.
 
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digitusmedius said:
Thanks for proving my point about the new use of the word "thug" as a substitute for a word that you don't dare use anymore.
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How so? You mentioned two individuals who exhibited thuggish behavior, both of whom happened to be black. One of them had just committed a strong-arm robbery. For people who resort to common sense that qualifies as "thuggish."
 
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image.jpg image.jpg It looks like the sons of union vets supports the confederate flag. :lamo
 
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