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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%

  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%
  • Total voters
    182
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Gimmesometruth said:
No, I know his name, it is Russell R. Lenzini. For someone who has used his site as a reference multiple times, the lack of knowledge about the author, not even knowing WHO FRIGGING WROTE THE CRAP YOU POST, shows again how little you value references.

Wow....now that is irony.
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I'm not the one with the ironic name.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
NO, I am RIGHT, but you refuse to understand, much less realize that YOU have been indoctrinated WRONG.
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How are you right and how do the census numbers prove you right when they clearly prove you wrong?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Have you posted the articles of the CSA Constitution that show those words?
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Only about 100 times.

She refuses to acknowledge them.

People have posted the Declarations of Causes about a 1000 times, those Declarations splattered with slavery all throughout.

She WILL NOT READ THEM. She scrolls, every time.

I swear. -- They are completely invisible to her.

It's one of the most fascinating case studies I have ever seen.
 
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Paperview said:
Only about 100 times.

She refuses to acknowledge them.

People have posted the Declarations of Causes about a 1000 times, those Declarations splattered with slavery all throughout.

She WILL NOT READ THEM. She scrolls, every time.

I swear. -- They are completely invisible to her.

It's one of the most fascinating case studies I have ever seen.
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I had actually never read them before a couple of days ago and they are right there... Article 4 I think mentioned at least twice. Slaves and them as property.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
I'm not the one with the ironic name.
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(3) No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs,. or to whom such service or labor may be due.

Sec. 3. (I) Other States may be admitted into this Confederacy by a vote of two-thirds of the whole House of Representatives and two-thirds of the Senate, the Senate voting by States; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other State, nor any State be formed by the junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned, as well as of the Congress.

(2) The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make allneedful rules and regulations concerning the property of the Confederate States, including the lands thereof.

(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

Do you admit that the Confederate States of America's constitution mentions slaves and slavery?
 
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Bodhisattva said:
(3) No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs,. or to whom such service or labor may be due.

Sec. 3. (I) Other States may be admitted into this Confederacy by a vote of two-thirds of the whole House of Representatives and two-thirds of the Senate, the Senate voting by States; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other State, nor any State be formed by the junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned, as well as of the Congress.

(2) The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make allneedful rules and regulations concerning the property of the Confederate States, including the lands thereof.

(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

Do you admit that the Confederate States of America's constitution mentions slaves and slavery?
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This is a pretty big one too: (4) No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.

Slavery, in perpetuity.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Bodhisattva said:
(3) No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs,. or to whom such service or labor may be due.

Sec. 3. (I) Other States may be admitted into this Confederacy by a vote of two-thirds of the whole House of Representatives and two-thirds of the Senate, the Senate voting by States; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other State, nor any State be formed by the junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned, as well as of the Congress.

(2) The Congress shall have power to dispose of and make allneedful rules and regulations concerning the property of the Confederate States, including the lands thereof.

(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States.

Avalon Project - Constitution of the Confederate States; March 11, 1861

Do you admit that the Confederate States of America's constitution mentions slaves and slavery?
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Context much? The Confederacy was about state's rights and the state's RIGHT to allow slavery.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
How are you right and how do the census numbers prove you right when they clearly prove you wrong?
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I do not revise history to make the South look demonized. Also Southern power was clearly a threat to the north's ego, hence the 3/5 compromise to begin with. If the north hadn't felt threatened by the South in the first place because they supposedly had the larger population, then why the fuss?
 
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Paperview said:
Only about 100 times.

She refuses to acknowledge them.

People have posted the Declarations of Causes about a 1000 times, those Declarations splattered with slavery all throughout.

She WILL NOT READ THEM. She scrolls, every time.

I swear. -- They are completely invisible to her.

It's one of the most fascinating case studies I have ever seen.
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I have read them myself over several years; and I believe it was just a issues for political leaders too mask why they wanted the south to stay. The Cotten gin and new inventions for farming would have gained new traction in farms across the south making it easier for families to farm the products they made and reduce the need for slavery.
 
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Ryriena said:
I have read them myself over several years; and I believe it was just a issues for political leaders too mask why they wanted the south to stay. The Cotten gin and new inventions for farming would have gained new traction in farms across the south making it easier for families to farm the products they made and reduce the need for slavery.
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Um....Wow.
Reduce the need? It had the exact opposite effect.
The Cotton Gin was invented 1793.
The impact of that new mechanism for cleaning cotton ---directly resulted in an explosion of slavery in the South, enmeshing the demand for slaves to such a great degree, it could be arguable said --that Cotton Gin -- literally lead to the Civil War.
 
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Ryriena said:
For some odd reason my internet, crashes every time I try to put in the link for the Repper and the .pdf My argument was just that I think that new inventions would lead to reducing the need for slave labor in the South.

http://www.stephenhicks.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/forbes-mccormick.pdf

I just will leave link for you to read.
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*sigh*

Been addressed.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...g-w-1518-a-post1064835831.html#post1064835831


Sorry, Fail.
 
The "reaper" is making it's rounds lately here - for what bizarre reason I can only imagine, except it must have been off of some Lost Cause script somewhere....

They apparently don't know much about what they are posting, or haven't bothered to study the details.

The ironic thing is -- McCormick's reaper, used a great deal in the North, not in the South -- actually played a large part in contributing to the Confederacy's defeat
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Bodhisattva said:
Stop derailing the thread... debate the topic or leave.
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Listen to your own advice:

Bodhisattva said:
When people go this route it is pretty obvious that they have lost the argument, and, in fact, cement the horror of Political Correctness as well.

Disagree with you? A child. Not even vaguely aware of history. Insensitive. Not a reasonable person and my favourite... Not a human being.

:lol:
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You make fun of me for declaring that responsible human beings should elect to not knowingly offend one another ?

Then you try to high road me...?
 
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What they were fighting for...

From y own original archives:


An 1863 Confederate paper, from just after the bloody Gettysburg battle -- advertising the monthly slave auction:

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SALE OF NEGROES IN GEORGIA: “The usual monthly sale took place in Augusta…Isham, 57 years old, $1,005; Amy 16 years old $2,399; Adam, 11 years old, $ 1,900., Moriah, 8 years old, $ $1, 475; Susan, aged 37 and three children, $3,200; Lucy, aged 16, $ $2,500....
 
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Bodhisattva said:
I'll meditate. You take a class on effective communication and debate 101. Fair compromise?
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Now that's funny on so many levels. It might not be high comedy but it's laughable.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Thug has not replaced nigger for ****s sake! Thug is a term used to describe people that might be violent criminals and that look or act like it. That's it.
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From your vantage faraway vantage point and a foreigner's lack of understanding the depth and breadth of American racism your naivete can be forgiven.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Bodhisattva said:
Dude, Black Dog is a black man... I think he has the market cornered compared to you. :lol:
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There are a lot of black men and women who, for reasons unfathomable to anyone but themselves, seem to need side with the people who despise them. I don't pretend to understand the psychology there. Hell, some Jews actually assisted their captors in the death camps to get a slightly bigger crust of bread and maybe a bit of a blanket during the Winter. It's sometimes called "self-hating," but that's too cavalier. Bill Cosby has been one of those, by the way. I really love his comedy when I was coming of age but, wow, what a tawdry secret he had all those years.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Context much? The Confederacy was about state's rights and the state's RIGHT to allow slavery.
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I am asking you a direct question. Do you admit that the Confederate States of America's constitution mentions slaves and slavery? Yes or no.

I do not revise history to make the South look demonized.
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Are you stating that the census numbers from 1860 are incorrect because somebody altered the numbers?
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Bodhisattva said:
I am asking you a direct question. Do you admit that the Confederate States of America's constitution mentions slaves and slavery? Yes or no.

Are you stating that the census numbers from 1860 are incorrect because somebody altered the numbers?
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:popcorn2:

I want to see her answer to this.
 
I have no idea why some deny the Slaves were one of the many issue of the civil war many leaders mention said issuses in their speeches and what not its not rocket science. :confused:

Hell, that's why they came up with the 3/5th Compromise.
 
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randel said:
so far as having reps, if the slaves were counted as full citizens, i'm sure that would have gotten them a few more in the house.
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Slaves were counted as 3/5 of a person for census purposes, therefore for congressional representation. Isn't that just amazing that the people were not only allowed to own human beings but to use their brutalized property in order to increase their congressional representation by that property. This benefitted the south far more than the north, of course, where the slave population was very small compared to the south.
 
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Absentglare said:
Listen to your own advice:



You make fun of me for declaring that responsible human beings should elect to not knowingly offend one another ?

Then you try to high road me...?
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I did that. I am not any more. Let's move on...
 
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digitusmedius said:
Now that's funny on so many levels. It might not be high comedy but it's laughable.
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It is very funny, but it is not laughable...

From your vantage faraway vantage point and a foreigner's lack of understanding the depth and breadth of American racism your naivete can be forgiven.
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Yeah, I am American. Born in Oregon. Raised just south of L.A.

That said, racism in New Zealand against low socio-economic Maori is very bad here. Racism in Japan is horrible. The USA just gets the most press.

There are a lot of black men and women who, for reasons unfathomable to anyone but themselves, seem to need side with the people who despise them. I don't pretend to understand the psychology there. Hell, some Jews actually assisted their captors in the death camps to get a slightly bigger crust of bread and maybe a bit of a blanket during the Winter. It's sometimes called "self-hating," but that's too cavalier. Bill Cosby has been one of those, by the way. I really love his comedy when I was coming of age but, wow, what a tawdry secret he had all those years.
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Dismiss away then... anything to justify yourself being correct, I guess.
 
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