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    Re: Confederate Flag

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    Not ancient times. Heck, the Maori here didn't have writing just a couple hundred years ago until the British brought it and many tribes around the world still have oral traditions. There are real issues with oral history and that is why writing was such an important advancement but my point was the dismissal. To dismiss evidence as "folklore" is ridiculous.
    Wow talk about something I didn't know! I always thought that it was in ancient times until the Egyptians I think it was invented cuneiform and people started writing. I didn't know that tribes all over the world still relied on oral traditions vs writing.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not ancient times. Heck, the Maori here didn't have writing just a couple hundred years ago until the British brought it and many tribes around the world still have oral traditions. There are real issues with oral history and that is why writing was such an important advancement but my point was the dismissal. To dismiss evidence as "folklore" is ridiculous.
    Then I wonder why you don't read any of the real history. But I'm only just now noticing that you're a Kiwi so wouldn't know the first thing about the American experience.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    I was in a museum in KC a couple of decades ago and saw a river boat display. One of the plaques said that Irish immigrants were given the most dangerous jobs in the boiler of those steam powered boats because no slaveowner would want to get a valuable piece of property killed in the very frequent explosions that occurred in this type of water craft. Yes, the Irish were badly treated and viciously discriminated against when the first waves of them began to arrive. They were similarly treated that way in Ireland by their British overlords which is why they left. But they were not slaves. If they could manage it they could go elsewhere if their immediate lot was too severe. They had freedom that no black slave could have dreamed of. But I see you are in complete evasion mode now, horsegirl. I guess we don't really need for you to answer my questions anymore because by avoiding them altogether you have answered them. You aint foolin' nobody but people who want to be fooled.
    Complete evasion mode? Please. Glad you at least see that the Irish were treated like crap though.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Folk lore? Hmmmm are you saying those veterans lied to my granddaddy and his Benedictine company? Somehow I doubt it.
    The fact of your naivete is no surprise whatsoever. I particularly liked the bit where you thought a black restaurant owner being outwardly polite to your granddaddy was a true expression of his feelings. If blacks in the South learned nothing else during Jim Crow it was always to appear polite when in the presence of white "folk." A black person could pay for his life for even allowing a hint of animosity show itself.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Wow talk about something I didn't know! I always thought that it was in ancient times until the Egyptians I think it was invented cuneiform and people started writing. I didn't know that tribes all over the world still relied on oral traditions vs writing.
    Well yeah, that is when it was invented but that knowledge and technology had to be transferred around the world, learned, implemented and used. The tribes of New Guinea still use rock tools to harvest their koru (sp?) tree diet and they have no writing at all. 100% illiterate. This is today.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    The fact of your naivete is no surprise whatsoever. I particularly liked the bit where you thought a black restaurant owner being outwardly polite to your granddaddy was a true expression of his feelings. If blacks in the South learned nothing else during Jim Crow it was always to appear polite when in the presence of white "folk." A black person could pay for his life for even allowing a hint of animosity show itself.
    Blacks and whites are all sorts of friendly to each other in the South... just not always. Her grandaddy's interactions with that man may very well have been sincere.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    She is refreshing, but I really don't think she's a white supremacist. I just think she's a nice southern lady that was raised to believe the same lost cause propaganda that the south has been spewing for the last 150 years or more. In fact, she's actually very knowledgeable on southern civil war folk lore. lol
    I've asked her a couple of times now if she feels whites (i.e., people of northern and central European descent) are superior to all others and she's aggressively avoided responding to that question, which is an answer really, isn't it?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Blacks and whites are all sorts of friendly to each other in the South... just not always. Her grandaddy's interactions with that man may very well have been sincere.
    There is that unlikelihood. But the fact that horsegirl doesn't even entertain the idea that it couldn't have been otherwise speaks volumes.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Then I wonder why you don't read any of the real history. But I'm only just now noticing that you're a Kiwi so wouldn't know the first thing about the American experience.
    I am an American. I was born in Oregon and raised in Huntington Beach. I graduated with honors with a history degree from a CA university, taught American history and currently teach aspects of American history here. Yep, I am pretty sure I know my history. What would you like to talk about?
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    I've asked her a couple of times now if she feels whites (i.e., people of northern and central European descent) are superior to all others and she's aggressively avoided responding to that question, which is an answer really, isn't it?
    How funny, I don't tell you what you want to hear but what is so, is that there is only one race, human, and you think you're not getting an answer.
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