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    Re: Confederate Flag

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    Start with reading The South was Right.
    I don't know if I've ever run across anyone so willing to be identified as a white supremacist on a forum before. The honesty is almost refreshing but it's chilling to be reminded that there are quite a few of these anachronisms still around.
    She is refreshing, but I really don't think she's a white supremacist. I just think she's a nice southern lady that was raised to believe the same lost cause propaganda that the south has been spewing for the last 150 years or more. In fact, she's actually very knowledgeable on southern civil war folk lore. lol

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Here are the first two sentences in the GA secession declaration:
    The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery
    Mississippi:
    In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth.
    South Carolina (after a long, rambling discussion of the founding of the country it finally gets to its first actual grievance):
    The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due.

    The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due.""
    This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made.
    Got that? The right to keep slaves and have them returned to SC was the only reason SC agreed to join the Union in the first place. Breathtaking, eh?

    Texas (again, the first substantive reason for seceding after a long bit of self-serving, grandiose language--it is Texas, of course):
    The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slaveholding States.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    She is refreshing, but I really don't think she's a white supremacist. I just think she's a nice southern lady that was raised to believe the same lost cause propaganda that the south has been spewing for the last 150 years or more. In fact, she's actually very knowledgeable on southern civil war folk lore. lol
    Folk lore? Hmmmm are you saying those veterans lied to my granddaddy and his Benedictine company? Somehow I doubt it.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Here are the first two sentences in the GA secession declaration:


    Mississippi:


    South Carolina (after a long, rambling discussion of the founding of the country it finally gets to its first actual grievance):



    Got that? The right to keep slaves and have them returned to SC was the only reason SC agreed to join the Union in the first place. Breathtaking, eh?

    Texas (again, the first substantive reason for seceding after a long bit of self-serving, grandiose language--it is Texas, of course):
    If that's true then the Irish in the northeast should have risen up also, because from what I have heard they were treated like absolute complete ****.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Folk lore? Hmmmm are you saying those veterans lied to my granddaddy and his Benedictine company? Somehow I doubt it.
    You like that too? Witness accounts fading into folklore soon to be legend eventually falling into nothing more than Southern Mythology.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Dude! Who are you talking to? Seriously. Quotes. Use them.
    Apparently if one just replies without the quote comments just show up without context (which makes me wonder why this board has a "reply" option when it does not attach to the comment being replied to). The first one was a response to someone who wondered why flag/slavery apologists never supply any sources for their claims. The second one was to horsegirl who's trying to evade answering some tough questions. Does that help? I'm glad you're tracking my comments so closely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    You like that too? Witness accounts fading into folklore soon to be legend eventually falling into nothing more than Southern Mythology.
    You know, in ancient times, that's how history was passed down, until someone learned to write that is. Also I wonder how many war stories from current living veterans are going to suffer that same fate?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Apparently if one just replies without the quote comments just show up without context (which makes me wonder why this board has a "reply" option when it does not attach to the comment being replied to). The first one was a response to someone who wondered why flag/slavery apologists never supply any sources for their claims. The second one was to horsegirl who's trying to evade answering some tough questions. Does that help? I'm glad you're tracking my comments so closely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    You know, in ancient times, that's how history was passed down, until someone learned to write that is. Also I wonder how many war stories from current living veterans are going to suffer that same fate?
    Not ancient times. Heck, the Maori here didn't have writing just a couple hundred years ago until the British brought it and many tribes around the world still have oral traditions. There are real issues with oral history and that is why writing was such an important advancement but my point was the dismissal. To dismiss evidence as "folklore" is ridiculous.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    If that's true then the Irish in the northeast should have risen up also, because from what I have heard they were treated like absolute complete ****.
    I was in a museum in KC a couple of decades ago and saw a river boat display. One of the plaques said that Irish immigrants were given the most dangerous jobs in the boiler of those steam powered boats because no slaveowner would want to get a valuable piece of property killed in the very frequent explosions that occurred in this type of water craft. Yes, the Irish were badly treated and viciously discriminated against when the first waves of them began to arrive. They were similarly treated that way in Ireland by their British overlords which is why they left. But they were not slaves. If they could manage it they could go elsewhere if their immediate lot was too severe. They had freedom that no black slave could have dreamed of. But I see you are in complete evasion mode now, horsegirl. I guess we don't really need for you to answer my questions anymore because by avoiding them altogether you have answered them. You aint foolin' nobody but people who want to be fooled.

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