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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    That makes no sense. Not in a modern context anyway. The American flag has evolved and means something different today then it did then.. I assume the Confederate flag has as well, at least in some circles, but Jesus let the rest of us in on that secret already. I would no sooner wave a Confederate flag that a swastika because regardless of the fact that each group did some things well they predominately represent hate, exclusion and although to different levels and certainly in different ways, genocide.
    Not to the racists.... To the racists it means exclusive inclusiveness. It means brotherhood.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    110,000 dead union soldiers could probably inform you that the CSA was ground down- it did not "have its ass handed to it"
    Its soldiers, as a % of the total military force, were killed on nearly a 2 to 1 basis. That is the definition of getting your ass handed to you in largely conventional 'hand to hand' combat type warfare- you know, the situation where typically #'s matter most.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    That flag should be burned in public.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Its soldiers, as a % of the total military force, were killed on nearly a 2 to 1 basis. That is the definition of getting your ass handed to you in largely conventional 'hand to hand' combat type warfare- you know, the situation where typically #'s matter most.
    No, it is indicative of an force getting increasingly outnumbered. It shows nothing about fighting prowess. In fact, the CSA won or tied far more battles than they lost.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    and the States have their flags too....some of which have the battle flag as part of it.<shrug>


    when all is said and done.. .it's a flag.
    it doesn't cause racism.. it doesn't cause murder... it doesn't cause slavery.. it doesn't cause segregation.
    True. But it represents those things and condoning it's presence indirectly endorses that ideology in the eyes of many people it also can be seen as the dismissal of a pretty profound injustice.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    No, it is indicative of an force getting increasingly outnumbered. It shows nothing about fighting prowess. In fact, the CSA won or tied far more battles than they lost.
    What matters more? 'Fighting prowess'? Or winning the WAR?

    IF the confederate soldiers had actually some supreme fighting prowess(or strategy), being outnumbered would not have mattered.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The Confederate flag is from a foreign nation that we successfully conquered. All the other stuff notwithstanding, why would we (read: our government) want to celebrate that?
    I agree, but They weren't a foreign nation. They were traitors.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The confederacy compares to it. The entire reason for the confederacy was the attempt to preserve the institution that enslaved millions. That is about as evil of a cause as you could come up with. I love the south but in my opinion there should not even be a single memorial for a confederate soldier. The Civil War is a shame upon the South just like the Nazi era is a shame upon Germany.
    I pretty much agree with all of this...
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Korea was no tie... if you don't win you lose. Mexico? Maybe but not that impressive. The Brits burned the White House... that is a loss for that alone.

    Native Americans? Not much of a war. We never even fielded an army.... just army units here and there.
    I agree about the Native Americans and the War of 1812, but the Mexican victory took real skill. A small US army landed on the Mexican coast, then marched inward to Mexico City. Not only did this small force beat every Mexican field force, but US leaders skillfully exploited social divisions regarding Mexican identity. They also wisely left Mexico proper before the endless guerilla war started.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Acutally the Swastica has been around for 12,000 years and is a symbol of prosperity, heaven, bounty and peace, among other things. Only on the Nazi flag does it represent hate.
    But we live now. What meaning it have however many years ago is no longer relevant to the majority of people
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