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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%
  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%

  • Total voters
    182
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So facts aren't "intelligent" when they don't prove your agenda? Thank you for finally confirming that

I have no agenda... Unless you would like to point out what that agenda is?

Maybe if you posted some actual proof instead of lip service, you would not come of as less than knowledgeable on this subject matter. :2wave:
 
Damn this page moves fast :). Now people are finally getting that's the civil war wasn't such a black and white cause. It was the morally grey issues of the time that caused said war to begin with and Slavery was the thing that political leaders capitalized on to gain sympathy for their causes and the war itself. Just like today with how Bush gained sympathy to invade Iraq; they used a hot button topic like Slavery (WMDS) to gain political sympathy for their goals of invading Iraq or in the case of the civil war the South. After the north went back in to Ft. Sumter ie South Carolina's property at the time since technically Ft. Sumter was theirs and not the Northern states after they seceded from the Union. In a sense, I could understand why the south attacked Ft. Sumter from a defensive and strategic standpoint that would've made great defensive measures for the city and a sea port for the ships.

No. Fort Sumter was Federal property.

South Carolina ceded all property rights to her in 1836. ALL Rights. Free and Clear.

By January 1861, the South had already commenced hostilities, seizing Federal buildings, forts, arsenals, post offices, Custom house, courthouses, etc all across the south...and firing on Union Ships. Acts of War. Many states before they had even officially seceded.

Before Lincoln ever stepped into office.

You can't just steal Federal property -- property belong to ALL the taxpaying citizens of the US and call it your own.
 
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I have no agenda... Unless you would like to point out what that agenda is?

Maybe if you posted some actual proof instead of lip service, you would not come of as less than knowledgeable on this subject matter. :2wave:

I posted fact. The yankee lovers reject fact
 
No. Fort Sumter was Federal property.

South Carolina ceded all property rights to her in 1836. ALL Rights. Free and Clear.

By January 1861, the South had already commenced hostilities, seizing Federal buildings, forts, arsenals, post offices, Custom house, courthouses, etc all across the south...and firing on Union Ships. Acts of War. Many states before they had even officially seceded.

Before Lincoln ever stepped into office.

You can't just steal Federal property -- property belong to ALL the taxpaying citizens of the US and call it your own.
I am going to say yes and no to that since once they left the union it was no longer tax payers property, as they had no contract to put the fort up in their states any longer.
 
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:lol: Trying to escape from a guy that misunderstood what I said, then when this is pointed out refuses to back up his argument with any quotes or facts and then turns around and tries to excuse his utter failure and loss by blaming me for not researching information FOR YOU?

What a ****ing crock of **** dude... take a hike. :lol:

Wow, did I ever hit a nerve. First, how could I understand what you said since all I ever saw was a year and no reference to any earlier comment and your refusal to even aim me at the comment that apparently contains that information? You seem pretty sensitive all of a sudden. Have you tried meditation?
 
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No, it is a great source for yankee myths refuted. If you're upset that you learned that you're wrong that's not my problem

That you thought a website dedicated to propagating the all the lies the south has been trying to get people to believe about slavery, secession and all the outrages perpetrated on blacks in the south AFTER they lost the war is just a tribute to your psychological need to avoid the truth at all costs. You rely on a site that creates and propagates these lies and ignore the actual words written by your southern ancestors when they committed their treasonous act. It's an amazing sort of mental jiujitsu you inflict upon yourselves.
 
I am going to say yes and no to that since once they left the union it was no longer tax payers property, as they had no contract to put the fort up in their states any longer.

lol.

It doesn't work that way, honey.

You can't just steal Federal property -- property belong to ALL the taxpaying citizens of the US and call it your own.

To repeat as well: South Carolina ceded all property rights to her in 1836. ALL Rights. Free and Clear.

Contracts mean something. Because you make a declaration, does not remove obligations under the Contract.

THINK!
 
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That you thought a website dedicated to propagating the all the lies the south has been trying to get people to believe about slavery, secession and all the outrages perpetrated on blacks in the south AFTER they lost the war is just a tribute to your psychological need to avoid the truth at all costs. You rely on a site that creates and propagates these lies and ignore the actual words written by your southern ancestors when they committed their treasonous act. It's an amazing sort of mental jiujitsu you inflict upon yourselves.

You ever encounter someone so hardnosed about their dedication to perpetuating a myth they refuse to even acknowledge words in their Founding Document?

I've spent some 7 years trying to get her to just admit the words "slave" and "slavery" is in the CSA Constitution.

You've witnessed it here. She won't.
 
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You ever encounter someone so hardnosed about their dedication to perpetuating a myth they refuse to even acknowledge words in their Founding Document?

I've spent some 7 years trying to get her to just admit the words "slave" and "slavery" is in the CSA Constitution.

You've witnessed it here. She won't.

It's really confirmation that deep-seated racism is a mental illness. There's no chance of recovery from this. All we can do is keep calling it out.
 
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I posted fact. The yankee lovers reject fact

What is a "yankee lover" and what does that have to do with me having an "agenda." So far I have rejected nothing but unproven anecdotal evidence with hard historical fact.

So I am still waiting to find out what my "agenda" is? :2wave:

Or are you just going to deflect and make up more nonsense? :)
 
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What is a "yankee lover" and what does that have to do with me having an "agenda." So far I have rejected nothing but unproven anecdotal evidence with hard historical fact.

So I am still waiting to find out what my "agenda" is? :2wave:

Or are you just going to deflect and make up more nonsense? :)

I guess someone who sleeps with a northerner? Never heard that term used before even by my dad who's a proud redneck. /: I have heard him use Yankee but not a "Yankee lover".
 
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What is a "yankee lover" and what does that have to do with me having an "agenda." So far I have rejected nothing but unproven anecdotal evidence with hard historical fact.

Remind you of any other sort of "lover" epithet these people used to love using? It got shouted at any white person who stood up against the racism and brutality inflicted on black people. There was also "jew lover" which was often used in the same breath. Horsegirl's beloved grandaddy also hated jews and catholics. Not hard to see where she got all her identity, is it?
 
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It's really confirmation that deep-seated racism is a mental illness.

What's a really weird thing is -- I don;t think the HorseGirl is racist. She's one of the few who cling to the Lost Cause who isn't.

She just, in no way in blazing hell, can abide her grandpapa lied to her. It all emanates from there.

A dough-eyed little girl with twinkly eyes at her beloved old octogenarian pops knee is what I see -- and no advance from that.
 
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I guess someone who sleeps with a northerner? Never heard that term used before even by my dad who's a proud redneck. /:

So that means you've no doubt heard another version of that phrase "n-gg-r lover" and a common accompaniment: "jew lover." Well-loved by southern (and elsewhere) rednecks.
 
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What's a really weird thing is -- I don;t think the HorseGirl is racist. She's one of the few who cling to the Lost Cause who isn't.

Sorry, just can't accept that a healthy adult woman can't learn something for herself. Her obstinate refusal to abandon the filthy racism (also she admits to his anti-semitism and anti-catholicism) and all the lies about the south that ol' grandadday pumped into her is a mental defect. It must fill an abnormal need in her. She went out of her way to change her profile, removing a picture of a tiger and replacing it with that flag of hate just in the past week or so while we've been on this subject. That's abnormal.
 
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So that means you've no doubt heard another version of that phrase "n-gg-r lover" and a common accompaniment: "jew lover." Well-loved by southern (and elsewhere) rednecks.

That is nonsense. You are painting with a very broad brush. Not all southerners are racist. You want to talk about real racism? Let's talk Chicago, where I grew up. So no. Don't act like everyone in the South is some kind of racist. Damn I live in Florida.
 
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Remind you of any other sort of "lover" epithet these people used to love using? It got shouted at any white person who stood up against the racism and brutality inflicted on black people. There was also "jew lover" which was often used in the same breath. Horsegirl's beloved grandaddy also hated jews and catholics. Not hard to see where she got all her identity, is it?

She did not mean it in a racist way at all. You might want to lose the chip on your shoulder.
 
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I guess someone who sleeps with a northerner? Never heard that term used before even by my dad who's a proud redneck. /: I have heard him use Yankee but not a "Yankee lover".

I think it's anyone who disagrees with her version of history north of the mason dixon, lol.
 
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So that means you've no doubt heard another version of that phrase "n-gg-r lover" and a common accompaniment: "jew lover." Well-loved by southern (and elsewhere) rednecks.
Not really, I haven't heard of that here in Houston! My dad married a Liberal catholic woman and I am atheist..... I heard the n------ lover thing on tv sometimes watching old movies but not that much anymore.
 
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Sorry, just can't accept that a healthy adult woman can't learn something for herself. Her obstinate refusal to abandon the filthy racism (also she admits to his anti-semitism and anti-catholicism) and all the lies about the south that ol' grandadday pumped into her is a mental defect. It must fill an abnormal need in her. She went out of her way to change her profile, removing a picture of a tiger and replacing it with that flag of hate just in the past week or so while we've been on this subject. That's abnormal.

Not acknowledging words in formal Documents is abnormal too. TIFWIW.
 
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