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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Pozessed View Post
    Removed from tax paid public service buildings and grounds yes. Not because it offends a large number of people, but because it is unnecessary for government to function. Besides, the north won the war... Thus we would essentially be flying our enemies flag after our victory. Kind of asinine IMO.

    As for abolished, as in illegal to posses, manufacture, or sell. Hell no.
    So then, all flags over national parks and war memorials and national cemetaries should be removed because they are unnecessary for the government to function...........

    That flag up there on the U.S. Capitol Building isn't necessary either.... time to bring it down.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    So the Confederate flag isnt offensive to liberty and freedom to you?
    No, not per se. Rather, it can be depending on the context that is being used. Today, that context is usually regional pride and / or pride in the miltiary accomplishments of the CSA (lost the war, while winning or drawing most battles).

    It is the same with the U.S. flag. Here, for example, is a photo of a northeren rascist using the US flag in bad context:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston..._Old_Glory.jpg

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    So then, all flags over national parks and war memorials and national cemetaries should be removed because they are unnecessary for the government to function...........

    That flag up there on the U.S. Capitol Building isn't necessary either.... time to bring it down.
    Flying the flag of the current government symbolizes who is in control. How is that not essential to government function?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    I would understand when Albania joins with Dardania, that perhaps in the beginning there may be two flags. But the southern flag represents secession not unification, so remove it I say.
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    It should be removed/prohibited from display on any public space at all levels of government. Private display would have to be allowed. I personally am happy to have moron racists identify themselves. This BS that it's just like the US flag (coming from the very people who support the confederate symbol of treason and slavery) is weak beyond belief. It was under that US flag that slavery was abolished in this country. Yes, atrocities have occurred and in the name of what that flag is supposed to represent (the most recent have been the Iraq War and torture) but by fits and starts we try to correct and get back to first principles of the founding of this country (in that typical hypocrisy of the extreme rightwing, most of the people who find the rebel flag an inspiration are also the most likely to lead us into committing those atrocities and perversions under the US flag). The rebel symbol of slavery and brutality differs entirely because its proponents will never admit they're wrong about anything it represented 150 years ago and still does today. Consider this: the KKK wants to hold a rally on the SC capitol grounds this week to "celebrate" that flag. Now, please, try to tell us that that flag doesn't represent slavery again. The laugh will do us good.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Then what the heck are you trying to say? You trying to say we were wrong for breaking away from England? Come on now. The South had the right to secede, and had made that perfectly clear when they acceded to the union, they had the right to secede from the union
    I dont know what you are trying to get me to say, but I am not falling for it; that is what I am saying.


    If you want to believe that the South had a right to secede that is your deal, your opinion. But keep in mind that what you are talking about is revolution not secession. The American revolutionists did not secede from the British Kingdom. The only reason the neo-secessionists concentrate on the word secede is because they are making an excuse to take over a portion of the good ole USA. Which is the same tactic that the Confederacy used while starting the Civil War. It did not work then and it will not work now. So give up the fallacious false dilemma bull**** argument, the American Revolution and the Souths anti-American BS are not the same thing.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    I wasn't saying racism and slavery are equal. I was more highlighting the whole "white supremacy" aspect. To say it was setup as such is kind of a statement that can be applied to any white dominated society of the time. Even enfranchisement the blacks didn't mean much. I would even go so far as to call it "token." Given how the North treated black troops, and the men who lead them. And that went on for a long time in the military (Black Jack Pershing is a good example of what happened to men who lead black units...his name from west point was even less PC).
    This is a shallow argument. Because the North treated its black citizenry with something less than egalitarian perfection it means that the Confederacy wasn't founded on the basis of white supremacy? Of course not. The fact remains that the Confederacy was founded to protect slavery politically, economically, and culturally, and cement white superiority forever. The North, the Union, for all of its flaws was not.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Slavery only became an issue when the yankees were getting their behinds kicked and Europe was gonna intervene and take the South's side. It was never a major issue before
    False. Slavery was an issue from the very first shot of the war. The pressure on Lincoln to make the war explicitly about slavery was overwhelming and began from the very beginning. It was only, by his own admission, the need to keep the Border States and other War Democrats in the fight that he didn't acquiesce to early moves to emancipate slaves like Fremont's Proclamation. As soon as the North had solidified its position and cemented its control over the Border States the pressure to make the annihilation of slavery an explicit war goal was overwhelming and Lincoln was free to issue his proclamation.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    False. Slavery was an issue from the very first shot of the war. The pressure on Lincoln to make the war explicitly about slavery was overwhelming and began from the very beginning. It was only, by his own admission, the need to keep the Border States and other War Democrats in the fight that he didn't acquiesce to early moves to emancipate slaves like Fremont's Proclamation. As soon as the North had solidified its position and cemented its control over the Border States the pressure to make the annihilation of slavery an explicit war goal was overwhelming and Lincoln was free to issue his proclamation.
    Revisionist history strikes again. The main reason for the War for Southern Independence was the north had way too much power and was pretty much pushing the South around, and the South, as you might expect, did not like that. Later, when the yankees realized it was do or die time, because Europe was fixing to help the South, then they made it all about slavery. Deny it all you want to but that is what really happened
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I dont know what you are trying to get me to say, but I am not falling for it; that is what I am saying.


    If you want to believe that the South had a right to secede that is your deal, your opinion. But keep in mind that what you are talking about is revolution not secession. The American revolutionists did not secede from the British Kingdom. The only reason the neo-secessionists concentrate on the word secede is because they are making an excuse to take over a portion of the good ole USA. Which is the same tactic that the Confederacy used while starting the Civil War. It did not work then and it will not work now. So give up the fallacious false dilemma bull**** argument, the American Revolution and the Souths anti-American BS are not the same thing.
    Yes they are if you do actual research. Then again I can see how the revisionists have taken things out of context completely
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