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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%

  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%
  • Total voters
    182
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Absentglare said:
Wikipedia rationale for the iraq war:
"Shortly after the invasion, the Central Intelligence Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency, and other intelligence agencies largely discredited evidence related to Iraqi weapons as well as links to Al-Qaeda, at this point the Bush and Blair Administrations began to shift to secondary rationales for the war, such as the Hussein government's human rights record and promoting democracy in Iraq. Opinion polls showed that people of nearly all countries opposed a war without UN mandate and that the view of the United States as a danger to world peace had significantly increased."

Our own intelligence organizations knew we were full of ****. France NEVER joined us. Germany NEVER joined us. They all knew our **** was bogus. I don't know why Tony Blair's administration joined us, but it certainly wasn't because we were accurate.

Donald Rumsfeld, upon the Sept 11 attacks, asked for "best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit Saddam Hussein at same time. Not only Osama Bin Laden."

Better yet, read that article i linked. It tells you about the falsified evidence that was presented to the public.
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Hindsight is 20/20 but I'm sure the Iraqis were glad to get out from under Saddam. Problem was birdbrain in DC pulled us out of there and pretty much allowed ISIS to take over.
 
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I seem to have lost the option for "liking" comments. Anyone have an explanation? Did it get changed with yesterday's upgrade?
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
But my granddaddy you can rest assured did not make everyone else do the grunt work. He worked hard for Seaboard Railroad, and never backed down from a job. Later he ran the Carib Theater in Miami Beach and had stars from all of the major pictures of the 50's and 60's. He had 4 HUGE photo albums of him with various movie stars. My uncle has them now.
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You seem to be desperate to try to change the subject. No one every suggested your ol' grandaddy was lazy. But now you've brought it up so one wonders why besides the fact that it's an obvious deflection.



But you're right, anyone who believes mere stereotypes of the South wouldn't know truth if it knocked them out cold. You personify that.
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Good ol' rightwing projection....always at the ready to try to deflect the truth away from you. HG, you are the personification of the southern stereotype.
 
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digitusmedius said:
You seem to be desperate to try to change the subject. No one every suggested your ol' grandaddy was lazy. But now you've brought it up so one wonders why besides the fact that it's an obvious deflection.
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Nope, not deflecting at all, just letting you know how life was then.

Good ol' rightwing projection....always at the ready to try to deflect the truth away from you. HG, you are the personification of the southern stereotype.
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That's pretty funny since its the Democrats who want to deflect all the time. I ain't a Democrat.
 
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digitusmedius said:
I seem to have lost the option for "liking" comments. Anyone have an explanation? Did it get changed with yesterday's upgrade?
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Far left, bottom corner, there is a little pink hand, with a thumb up.

That's your "likes" button now. :)
 
Re: Confederate Flag

digitusmedius said:
Love and forgiveness are wonderful things. That doesn't mean we have to tolerate the lies and racism that still exists in this country. For forgiveness to be truly meaningful the guilty need to acknowledge their atrocities and we're not hearing any of that from the usual apologists for slavery and subjugation of black people in this country. If anything, they've become more brazen in their defiance of all norms of civilized behavior.
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Yet you still associate a meaning to the Confederate flag that not all or even most others share. Because you embraced the cause like a puppet, just like the rest. Tell me...while you are still ****ting yourself over the Confederate flag in the south, what are you doing about the actual trauma Black America is experiencing across the country? Do you blame the death toll and horrendous economic situation in the north on a piece of cloth?
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
I ain't a Democrat.
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No shyt. Happily, the segregationists and white supremacists left that party and almost all have found refuge in the republican perversion of a political party.
 
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VanceMack said:
Yet you still associate a meaning to the Confederate flag that not all or even most others share.
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As long as you and many others continue to deny the history and evil that that flag represents there's really no hope for complete love and forgiveness. Feel free to fly it on your property all you want. Just don't expect decent people who know that history to give you bouquets for it. It has no place on any public space anywhere in this land.
 
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digitusmedius said:
As long as you and many others continue to deny the history and evil that that flag represents there's really no hope for complete love and forgiveness. Feel free to fly it on your property all you want. Just don't expect decent people who know that history to give you bouquets for it. It has no place on any public space anywhere in this land.
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That flag represents no more brutality and oppression than the one that currently flies over our great nation and whioch I served in the military under for 20 years.

When you mare done pissing yourself over the flag you might want to consider engaging in the blood and brutality and conflict and loss that impacts the black community across the country. You know...**** that actually matters.
 
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VanceMack said:
That flag represents no more brutality and oppression than the one that currently flies over our great nation and whioch I served in the military under for 20 years.
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It represents treason against that country that you "served." And why did you serve that country if you think it was so awful? Or are you telling us you don't consider our history of slavery all that shameful? You seem to be a very confused and conflicted person.

When you mare done pissing yourself over the flag you might want to consider engaging in the blood and brutality and conflict and loss that impacts the black community across the country. You know...**** that actually matters.
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I love it when your sort pretends you care about the violence in the black community but refuse to acknowledge the violence by white cops on unarmed black men (who always get tagged as "thugs" since the N word is no longer acceptable for you to honestly express) and, on top of all that, trivialize a racist mass murder such as occurred in Charleston. Then you have the nerve to be offended for being called out for it. It's like you try so hard to hold back on the bigotry but it's just too powerful and you can't ever hold it in very long. I'm glad your kind want to keep flying the flag of treason and slavery so we can identify you more easily.
 
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digitusmedius said:
It represents treason against that country that you "served." And why did you serve that country if you think it was so awful? Or are you telling us you don't consider our history of slavery all that shameful? You seem to be a very confused and conflicted person.



I love it when your sort pretends you care about the violence in the black community but refuse to acknowledge the violence by white cops on unarmed black men (who always get tagged as "thugs" since the N word is no longer acceptable for you to honestly express) and, on top of all that, trivialize a racist mass murder such as occurred in Charleston. Then you have the nerve to be offended for being called out for it. It's like you try so hard to hold back on the bigotry but it's just too powerful and you can't ever hold it in very long. I'm glad your kind want to keep flying the flag of treason and slavery so we can identify you more easily.
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Awful? See...thats your problem. Oh...you trip over yourself wanting to trumpet the faults in others...but you are oblivious to the faults represented by the US flag. Thats...pathetic.

And as you usually do...you have your **** completely twisted. The people pretending to 'care' are people like you that have fallen out of the sky since people began trumpeting the cause (where was this on your radar 6 weeks ago?). But you were silent before 6 weeks ago. You wouldnt have been able to spell Confederate, let alone identify it in a lineup. Meanwhile...as you and others go on with your mock outrage about the Confederate flag in the south, you still continue to avoid the actual problems plaguing the black community nationwide. You are as transparent as the "Black lives matter" clowns.
 
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digitusmedius said:
No shyt. Happily, the segregationists and white supremacists left that party and almost all have found refuge in the republican perversion of a political party.
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I ain't a republican either! I go either way depending on who I think will do the best job.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Hindsight is 20/20 .
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Hindsight my ass. There were plenty of experts of the region in government who predicted exactly what happened and tried to sound the alarms but were either attacked, silenced or ignored by the Bush/Cheney Catastrophe And Criminal Enterprise.
 
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digitusmedius said:
Hindsight my ass. There were plenty of experts of the region in government who predicted exactly what happened and tried to sound the alarms but were either attacked, silenced or ignored by the Bush/Cheney Catastrophe And Criminal Enterprise.
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Well, i'm of a camp that is yet to be convinced that President Bush, himself, was in on it. By many accounts, the Bush Administration (Powell, Rumsfeld, Cheney) went to great lengths to keep the President isolated. And i've always seemed to think of President Bush as a reasonably honorable man- for example, he refused to publicly criticize President Obama so-as-to not undermine the POTUS. Unfortunately, he was manipulated by his own advisors, who knew damn well what they were doing.

Frankly, i don't understand why they aren't in federal prison. If not for lying to the entire planet, for condoning the torture of human beings.
 
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digitusmedius said:
Hindsight my ass. There were plenty of experts of the region in government who predicted exactly what happened and tried to sound the alarms but were either attacked, silenced or ignored by the Bush/Cheney Catastrophe And Criminal Enterprise.
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Thank you again for proving my point.
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Refuted how? By left wing crap? Not in this lifetime
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digitus cited pertinent examples of proffered reasons having been false (provided by Absentglare), you respond by calling it 20/20 hindsight adding the non-sequitur of what Iraqis felt about it and then get called out on that fallacy. You think that proves your point and dismiss the rebuttal not on its content but on being left wing crap.

Not high on logic here don't you think?
 
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Chagos said:
digitus cited pertinent examples of proffered reasons having been false (provided by Absentglare), you respond by calling it 20/20 hindsight adding the non-sequitur of what Iraqis felt about it and then get called out on that fallacy. You think that proves your point and dismiss the rebuttal not on its content but on being left wing crap.

Not high on logic here don't you think?
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Like I said, hindsight. Seriously do you really think that had we had the same intelligence that the rest of the world supposedly had we would have invaded anyone?
 
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Chagos said:
digitus cited pertinent examples of proffered reasons having been false (provided by Absentglare), you respond by calling it 20/20 hindsight adding the non-sequitur of what Iraqis felt about it and then get called out on that fallacy. You think that proves your point and dismiss the rebuttal not on its content but on being left wing crap.

Not high on logic here don't you think?
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Are you stating that when Bush said

"He has used them, not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq. The international community had little doubt then, and I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again."

he was lying?
 
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HorseLoverGirl said:
Like I said, hindsight. Seriously do you really think that had we had the same intelligence that the rest of the world supposedly had we would have invaded anyone?
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I don't know about "we" (as in you and me and loads of others) but "they" did.
 
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