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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I thought this was interesting.-

    Slavery, or rather the Union's distaste for it, was after all a significant reason why the southern states wished to secede in the first place. But how exactly did the flag re-emerge as a potent political symbol?

    It began, perhaps counter-intuitively, with the rise of the Civil Rights movement in the 20th century. As African-Americans began to articulate their political desires and push for an end to discrimination, those who opposed them sought a potent symbol to mobilise against them........

    This, then, is the legacy of the battle flag of the southern states; a sharp reminder of the racism that has been an indelible part of America's socio-political conscience since its formation, and the reason why it has been under fire in the wake of Charleston and other racial attacks.


    Heritage or hate: The history of the US Confederate Flag
    The reason it has been under attack is because liberals used the recent mass murder as a launching pad to pursue a political agenda they have had on the back burners for years. The fact is this has nothing to do with the racial attacks or racism, but the hatred of certain elements of southern culture.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I thought this was interesting.-

    Slavery, or rather the Union's distaste for it, was after all a significant reason why the southern states wished to secede in the first place. But how exactly did the flag re-emerge as a potent political symbol?

    It began, perhaps counter-intuitively, with the rise of the Civil Rights movement in the 20th century. As African-Americans began to articulate their political desires and push for an end to discrimination, those who opposed them sought a potent symbol to mobilise against them........

    This, then, is the legacy of the battle flag of the southern states; a sharp reminder of the racism that has been an indelible part of America's socio-political conscience since its formation, and the reason why it has been under fire in the wake of Charleston and other racial attacks.


    Heritage or hate: The history of the US Confederate Flag
    Which is a blatantly false misrepresentation of the actual history.

    The real truth of the matter is that the flag never actually went away in the South. It was flown at parades and official ceremonies meant to honor Confederate veterans right up until the last of them died in the 1940s and 1950s.





    While some may have come to view the flag as being a symbol for segregation in the 1950s and 1960s, that actually wasn't the primary reason given for flying it back then either. South Carolina began flying the flag in 1961 to commemorate the 100 year anniversary of the start of the Civil War.

    Since 2000, the flag hasn't even flown over the capital anyway. It's been flying over a memorial for Confederate soldiers.

    The whole "Confederate flag = racism" argument simply doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The vast majority of Southerners don't view it that way, and they never did.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    The framers never banned secession. As the CSA simply wanted to leave, they were not "taking over" anything.
    The framers may have not expressly banned secession of states in the Constitution, but they sure did ban confederation of states. The CSA was a violation of Aricle I sec. 10

    Section 10.

    No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

    No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.

    No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Which is a blatantly false misrepresentation of the actual history.

    The real truth of the matter is that the flag never actually went away in the South. It was flown at parades and official ceremonies meant to honor Confederate veterans right up until the last of them died in the 1940s and 1950s.


    While some may have come to view the flag as being a symbol for segregation in the 1950s and 1960s, that actually wasn't the primary reason given for flying it back then either. South Carolina began flying the flag in 1961 to commemorate the 100 year anniversary of the start of the Civil War.

    Since 2000, the flag hasn't even flown over the capital anyway. It's been flying over a memorial for Confederate soldiers.

    The whole "Confederate flag = racism" argument simply doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The vast majority of Southerners don't view it that way, and they never did.
    Who's to say. We could trade sources supporting our positions all day and frankly I'm not interested in yet another intellectually masturbatory romp through the pages of DP with you G. Your simply focused on a different part of it's history. There are undoubtedly a small group of people who support the continued exhibition of this flag for exactly those reasons, this ugly side also exists and in my opinion shouts down any more honorable history or intent.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Which is a blatantly false misrepresentation of the actual history.

    The real truth of the matter is that the flag never actually went away in the South. It was flown at parades and official ceremonies meant to honor Confederate veterans right up until the last of them died in the 1940s and 1950s.





    While some may have come to view the flag as being a symbol for segregation in the 1950s and 1960s, that actually wasn't the primary reason given for flying it back then either. South Carolina began flying the flag in 1961 to commemorate the 100 year anniversary of the start of the Civil War.

    Since 2000, the flag hasn't even flown over the capital anyway. It's been flying over a memorial for Confederate soldiers.

    The whole "Confederate flag = racism" argument simply doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The vast majority of Southerners don't view it that way, and they never did.
    Who gets to determine it's use on public land? The SCV or the people of the state?


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic
    The framers never banned secession. As the CSA simply wanted to leave, they were not "taking over" anything.
    They sure as heck were "taking over" Federal property all over the South - property that belonged to all of the US Citizens.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Who's to say. We could trade sources supporting our positions all day and frankly I'm not interested in yet another intellectually masturbatory romp through the pages of DP with you G. Your simply focused on a different part of it's history. There are undoubtedly a small group of people who support the continued exhibition of this flag for exactly those reasons, this ugly side also exists and in my opinion shouts down any more honorable history or intent.
    No, it's the other way around. Most Southerners who support the flag do so as a matter of pride in their heritage, and as an emblem of Southern culture. The racists are a minority, and an incredibly small one at that.

    You're essentially arguing that the KKK's fringe radical interpretation of the flag trumps that of the vast majority of the population. Let's be honest here, the only reason you're doing so is because it better meshes with the preconceived negative stereotype of white Southerners being racists that you happen to have floating around in your head, and the ideological narrative you've built around it.

    At the end of the day, this latest wave of hysteria is the product of political and regional bigotry, and not much else.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    The framers never banned secession.
    True but they didnt allow it either.


    As the CSA simply wanted to leave, they were not "taking over" anything.
    You would do good to learn some history. The spring of 1861 was the very beginning of the Civil War. History shows that there was indeed a plan to take over.

    In the Spring of 1861, Sibley, a Louisianan who had just resigned from the U.S. Army, met with Confederate President Jefferson Davis, outlining a strategy to take over the American West. The plan called for an invasion along the eastern side of the Rocky Mountains, seizing Colorado Territory, which was in the height of a gold rush, as well as Fort Laramie, Wyoming, which was the most important garrison along the Oregon Trail.

    Sibley then planned on focusing on areas farther west to attack mineral-rich Nevada and California. His strategy also included taking the northern Mexican states of Chihuahua, Sonora, and Lower California, either through purchase or by invasion. The Civil War in New Mexico - Page 2

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    The Confederate states DID secede, in part, over the right to own slaves but the overall reason for secession was more about States Rights as a whole than anything else.
    Perhaps states rights was part of the reason, but when you read through the Constitution of the Confederate States (3/11/1861), it makes 20 references to slavery or property, but only 12 references to any sort of right. Further, the word Constitution is only used 26 times in the whole document.

    Kind of makes you wonder what the intent actually was, and from the prolific use of the term slavery in this document I'd say thats the number one reason.

    Hell, for fun you should read- A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

    Then get revisit the reasons for the Civil War.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Which is a blatantly false misrepresentation of the actual history.

    The real truth of the matter is that the flag never actually went away in the South. It was flown at parades and official ceremonies meant to honor Confederate veterans right up until the last of them died in the 1940s and 1950s.





    While some may have come to view the flag as being a symbol for segregation in the 1950s and 1960s, that actually wasn't the primary reason given for flying it back then either. South Carolina began flying the flag in 1961 to commemorate the 100 year anniversary of the start of the Civil War.

    Since 2000, the flag hasn't even flown over the capital anyway. It's been flying over a memorial for Confederate soldiers.

    The whole "Confederate flag = racism" argument simply doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The vast majority of Southerners don't view it that way, and they never did.
    Glad someone besides me understands that! Sadly too many people never learn the true history of the South
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