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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander Stephens
    Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
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    ....the declaration of independence laid the foundation of america, but that declaration would not have be passed by the continental congress had it tried to end slavery by just 3 states ....... the other states wanted to end slavery, ....... the declaration was needed at all cost to unite the colonies against Britain.......and there is no founding principle at blacks are inferior.

    under the articles of confederation, the central government ENDED any SLAVERY when it had authority TO DO SO....slavery was illegal by the Northwest Ordinance......but could not be ended by the central government among the states, because states were sovereign and independent states with their own militias and own laws.

    the states sent delegates from every state but RI to the constitutional convention , those delegates were sent their to fix the articles of confederation not create a new constitution, but a new constitution was created and that constitution is about federalism the separation of powers between the states and the new federal government .......and that is all it about......with the states still remaining sovereign and independent states.

    the bill of rights is about restrictions placed on the federal government, in addition to the federal government being limited government.

    there are no foundations laid by the AOC central government or the federal government that blacks are subhuman.......

    where the government had the power to end slavery they did it, and to point out that slavery was in a proposal made at the convention which would have made it a legal practice, the founders stuck it out saying..........."there is nothing legal about slavery"


    you need your facts straight.
    Um, that is not from the DoI. wanna try again?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by gimmesometruth View Post
    um, that is not from the doi. Wanna try again?
    the DOI laid the foundation of the u.s.......it is america founding principles..
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    second point to be examined is, whether the [constitutional ]convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the DOI laid the foundation of the u.s.......it is america founding principles..
    Again, what I quoted, what you claimed was "false", was not the DoI. This was a major non-sequitur.

    Alexander Stephens:
    Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    this is an error of mine, because i was not talking about the southern states as you were, but was talking about our nations's beginning and its foundation.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    No, the battle flag (used semi officially by the main CSA field Army and some what regularly by other field armies) was designed after the Saint Andrew's cross motiff. This motiff is common and is also used in the Scottish and Imperial Russian flags. As for the stars, they represent the states that seceeded, plus Kentucky.

    Kentucky was originally nueteral, but according to the CSA intended to seceed had unionists not comandeered the state legislature. Of course, the union version is that Kentucky intended to be a union state and it was the confedrates who had attempted to comandeer the state legislature.
    i'll buy this.....however what it said has been put forth before.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this is an error of mine, because i was not talking about the southern states as you were, but was talking about our nations's beginning and its foundation.
    Stephens, and I, was talking about the foundation of the Confederacy, ie slavery.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Sure, there will still be racists and race baiters. There always will be. That doesn't change the fact that the Confederate flag is a symbol of oppression. As long as state governments endorse that oppression it is an obstacle to improving race relations. You can't blame that on Al Sharpton and those like him.
    And again I ask..

    How. What exactly is the removal of a symbol flag.... one of which I thought that they had removed years ago..... what is that going to do for race relations.

    How is this going to improve them.... specifically.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That applies to the American flag as well. Should we be banning the American flag too?




    OH NOES!!!! ITS A SYMBOL OF OPPRESSION!!!!!!

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    And again I ask..

    How. What exactly is the removal of a symbol flag.... one of which I thought that they had removed years ago..... what is that going to do for race relations.

    How is this going to improve them.... specifically.
    You are asking how will the removal of a symbol deeply associated with a slave system of Blacks from display by a state govt reduces animosity of Blacks towards state govt? That should be self evident. Further, the elimination of state sponsored displays of a symbol of institutional racism decreases the legitimacy of its use by extremists. That should be self evident too.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    "The American Flag is a symbol of racism and oppression"

    Not a compelling argument.

    1. the American flag stands for all sorts of things: freedom, progressivism, etc... The Confederate flag stands solely for slavery and is akin to the Swastika in its meaning.

    2. While yes all of the United States history is tainted by slavery and other crimes against humanity, however the south is tainted more because they are the ones who seceded and started a war to continue the practice of slavery. And yes the north really racist, and even famous books written by famous abolitionists are racist, but the south even more so.

    3. The Confederate flag should not be banned from private use but you must accept the ridicule that will result in the display

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