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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    There are no racist words on the flags I posted. Even if you drop the words, just use the symbols. Would you support them being flown on government property? The symbol of the black panthers and the confederate flag are comparable. Both represent racism to many. Both represent history and pride for others. These are very directly comparable. If they are not, please let me know how they differ.
    I don't believe either flag should be flown from the flag pole at the state capitol.

    I just don't believe that the rebel flag is a symbol of racism just because some idiots decided to use it as such.

    Next thing you know racists will start hanging out with the American flag in their racist internet podcasts and then going to shoot up the next Rev. Jeremiah Wright style church and we will have to take down the stars and stripes too.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I don't believe either flag should be flown from the flag pole at the state capitol.

    I just don't believe that the rebel flag is a symbol of racism just because some idiots decided to use it as such.

    Next thing you know racists will start hanging out with the American flag in their racist internet podcasts and then going to shoot up the next Rev. Jeremiah Wright style church and we will have to take down the stars and stripes too.
    Has it ever been used in an official capacity that wasn't racist?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Has it ever been used in an official capacity that wasn't racist?
    It wasn't even used in an official capacity during the Civil War. It was basically a battle standard to avoid confusing troops because they first were using a flag that looked too much like that of the Union.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It wasn't even used in an official capacity during the Civil War. It was basically a battle standard to avoid confusing troops because they first were using a flag that looked too much like that of the Union.
    Exactly - the confederate flag history is more than just the rebel yell that we see today. What we see today didn't even exist in 1860. I've posted this in so many threads now about the confederate flag it's hard to keep track but there is a history to the confederate flag and it doesn't have anything to do with the modified battle standard used today.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Has it ever been used in an official capacity that wasn't racist?
    Yes... When used as the battle flag of the Confederate soldiers in a war against the north.

    A war that was fought, yes partly due to the institution of slavery, for which the institution was not important because of "racism" but because of Economics.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Oooooh, Greece! Scaaaaary, huh?

    Do you not see the error in your logic? You're implying that if ONE sorta-kinda-first-world nation went economically tango-uniform, then the same thing WILL happen to ALL of them.

    But it's not happening to the true first-world nations like America, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, New Zealand, Canada, England, France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Luxembourg...the list goes on.

    Whereas ALL nations that have small government, low effective taxes, and weak regulation ARE third-world nations.

    ALL but one of the first-world nations are not in danger of economic collapse...but ALL of the nations that have the conservative trifecta of small government, low effective taxes, and weak regulation ARE in the economic crapper. Really, what more does it take for you to see which system IS working, and which system is NOT working?

    The proof's all there for you to see, if you're ever able to pull your head out of the right-wing echo chamber.
    No need to get so huffy. I just pointed out a snag in your reasoning. First, "first nation state" terminology is out of vogue. Second, when it is used, it's often used to point fingers at these nations and claim that they grew not specifically through democracy and capitalism - but due to racism and the formation of underclasses. Third, there is a group of neo-leftists who're trying to bring the term back into vogue. Gawd, I hope they fail.

    The truth is - we have a number of threads where we're discussing economics and taxes currently. I don't think this one is appropriate so I'm not going to further derail.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    What about the thousands and thousands of slaves that were well treated and better off under slavery than out on their ass with nothing?

    What about all the slaves in the north that WEREN'T freed by the Emancipation Proclamation.

    Thats right.... Slavery was legal in the north up until after the end of the civil war.... as much as those in the north try to re-write history....
    Don't include me in with "those" in the north.. The secession of the south was all about slavery, the economy it provided and the political class that defended it. Was there a large abolitionist movement in the south as there was in the northern?

    As for being better off as slaves... No one is better off if they are owned by someone else. I would rather starve and be free than to be "well taken care of" property. Regardless, a few well taken care of slaves does not justifying the atrocities perpetrated on many... Even if one, resulting from systemic slavery.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    Don't include me in with "those" in the north.. The secession of the south was all about slavery, the economy it provided and the political class that defended it. Was there a large abolitionist movement in the south as there was in the northern?
    Not necessarily, but that doesn't mean much considering there wasn't as much of an economic incentive to keep slaves around in the north as there was in the south. However, there was enough of a movement to keep the underground railroad operating... so there is that...

    As for being better off as slaves... No one is better off if they are owned by someone else. I would rather starve and be free than to be "well taken care of" property. Regardless, a few well taken care of slaves does not justifying the atrocities perpetrated on many... Even if one, resulting from systemic slavery.

    It truly worries me that you're a cop.
    Interesting for you to bring up my having been a cop (yes, past tense) as some sort of pathetic excuse for a personal attack....

    Because in my experiences, I have seen people who would rather be in jail (no freedom) and be fed than be on the streets (free) and be starving.

    So.... while "principle" of your statement is true... and I concur.... however there are many who are actually in such dire straits (not those of us just talking about it) that may not necessarily agree with us.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by P0wel1b4 View Post
    If you don't mind the fact that the BFoC was, and still is to me, the flag of treason and of slavery.
    what it means to you is your business.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Don't fret, the American flag will be next, replaced by the Red Army hammer and sickle.
    Maybe they'll try to replace it with the Black Panther flag.
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