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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    No, it's just a constant reminder of racism, murder, slavery, segregation, beatings, whipping, lynchings, ripping families apart, from the POV of those with generations of being the subjugated.
    are you talking about the CSA flag or the American flag?

    Are you capable of seeing things from others perspectives? Do you think the pain of your loss of having the flag removed yet still sold on gazillions of schwag will be greater than a daily reminder of all of the above?
    sure, I can entertain different perspectives.... I just feel that crybabies are being absurd with this whole flag business.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    From the Declaration of Independence:



    By all men did they mean just white men? What about native Americans and black Americans?

    How equal were they? Did they have different certain unalienable rights than white men? Because that's how they were treated.

    Since this flag issue is here, let's talk about the flags issue, not a flag issue.
    The colonies were in crisis. They had to band together. That meant compromises. The genius of the founders wasn't that they were perfect men, but that they knew they weren't perfect men and you couldn't jump to an ideal world all at once.

    Time and again they told us, we have begun this work, this grand experiment to achieve liberty and freedom for all, it will be up to future generations to continue to advance the principles set forth in the declaration. Yes, they meant everyone, just not tomorrow. Trying to do so would have ended the experiment before it got started.

    So you cling to that pathetic, weak, half truth justification if you like... Just know it won't fly here.

    I revere the founders not because they were perfect and righteous, but because they knew they, like all men are flawed. Constrained to some extent by the conditions of contemporary society. Same as now.

    Each generation has advanced the cause of freedom and equality in keeping with the founding spirit of this country. The south took a step back. Clearly.

    So, you are unable to find even the tiniest reference to the confederacy moving someday to freedom for all? That so.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    and the States have their flags too....some of which have the battle flag as part of it.<shrug>


    when all is said and done.. .it's a flag.
    it doesn't cause racism.. it doesn't cause murder... it doesn't cause slavery.. it doesn't cause segregation.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    So everybody who is in favor of the flag, let me ask you this.

    What if you were Jewish, and everywhere you turned, you saw a flag with a swastika on it? It was flying over your capitol building It was on the license plate of your car that you had to pay Ad Velorum tax to have. Everytime you went shopping, it was on t shirts and beer cozies and flying from the backs of giant 4 wheel drives.

    How would that make you feel?

    Both are symbols of hate and divisiveness. I would only hope that if that ever happened to any of you, you wouldn't be called a crybaby.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    are you talking about the CSA flag or the American flag?

    sure, I can entertain different perspectives.... I just feel that crybabies are being absurd with this whole flag business.
    Which cry babies, the victims of hundreds of years of being stepped on, or the crackas that have to have that flag on everything they own... And on state, public owned land?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Nam, definitely a loss. Korea a tie. 1812? Seems to me we Kicked the Brits butt a second time in that one.

    Seems to me too that we won all the Indian wars and the Mexican one as well.
    Korea was no tie... if you don't win you lose. Mexico? Maybe but not that impressive. The Brits burned the White House... that is a loss for that alone.

    Native Americans? Not much of a war. We never even fielded an army.... just army units here and there.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The US flag represents the country, while the Confederate flag denotes a specific faction that was willing to die for the right to own their fellow human beings. It should be removed from public property and heavily stigmatized.
    So do State Flags in the South. Should Mississippi have their's removed and stigmatized as well? Georgia?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    No, it's just a constant reminder of racism, murder, slavery, segregation, beatings, whipping, lynchings, ripping families apart, from the POV of those with generations of being the subjugated.

    Are you capable of seeing things from others perspectives? Do you think the pain of your loss of having the flag removed yet still sold on gazillions of schwag will be greater than a daily reminder of all of the above?
    Same with State Flags from the South... just a constant reminder of racism, murder, slavery, segregation, beatings, whipping, lynchings, ripping families apart, from the POV of those with generations of being the subjugated.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    So everybody who is in favor of the flag, let me ask you this.

    What if you were Jewish, and everywhere you turned, you saw a flag with a swastika on it? It was flying over your capitol building It was on the license plate of your car that you had to pay Ad Velorum tax to have. Everytime you went shopping, it was on t shirts and beer cozies and flying from the backs of giant 4 wheel drives.

    How would that make you feel?

    Both are symbols of hate and divisiveness. I would only hope that if that ever happened to any of you, you wouldn't be called a crybaby.
    Acutally the Swastica has been around for 12,000 years and is a symbol of prosperity, heaven, bounty and peace, among other things. Only on the Nazi flag does it represent hate.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    The colonies were in crisis. They had to band together. That meant compromises. The genius of the founders wasn't that they were perfect men, but that they knew they weren't perfect men and you couldn't jump to an ideal world all at once.

    Time and again they told us, we have begun this work, this grand experiment to achieve liberty and freedom for all, it will be up to future generations to continue to advance the principles set forth in the declaration. Yes, they meant everyone, just not tomorrow. Trying to do so would have ended the experiment before it got started.

    So you cling to that pathetic, weak, half truth justification if you like... Just know it won't fly here.

    I revere the founders not because they were perfect and righteous, but because they knew they, like all men are flawed. Constrained to some extent by the conditions of contemporary society. Same as now.

    Each generation has advanced the cause of freedom and equality in keeping with the founding spirit of this country. The south took a step back. Clearly.

    So, you are unable to find even the tiniest reference to the confederacy moving someday to freedom for all? That so.
    Weak and pathetic is your obvious support of racism, murder, and other atrocities represented in form of the US flag you senselessly cling to.

    You want to end representations of deplorable acts of racism, just the ones you can comprehend.
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