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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I'm a patriot, and I stand when the flag passes by with my hand on my heart. You should do likewise.
    Strange you suggest that I don't. What did I post to suggest otherwise?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    too many babies crying about a flag.

    it's a cool flag... keep it.
    If you don't mind the fact that the BFoC was, and still is to me, the flag of treason and of slavery.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    It is a symbol of racism and segregation. I would not oppose an individual having one or flying it. I do not support our federal or state governments flying that flag.
    To you.

    You some people it is a symbol of heritage. If you hadn't actually lived in the south, you wouldn't understand that southerners are actually quite proud of being from the impovershed and marginalized region known as "the south".

    Impoverished due to the "reconstruction" era... and marginalized by liberal media and northern "educational" institutions.
    Its a cultural thing... no different than those who have mexican ancestry display a mexican flag.... those with irish display an irish flag..... those who are potheads display a jamaican flag, etc.


    If there were not morons out there who believe it to mean one is a racist, I would proudly display it myself.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    The American flag represents freedom. It may have been a symbol of America during an unfortunate period in our history but that is not what it represents today. The confederate flag has always representes slavery. That has never changed.
    Actually this "Rebel Flag" represents rebelling against a strong central government, which is what we ended up with under Lincoln.

    If it were to make a political statement at all that is....

    Most people prefer it for the reasons I mentioned previously.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    It took us a long time to do that... what if all the South needed was more time as well?
    Considering their economy was agriculture based, and thus much more dependent upon slave labor than the more industrial North......

    Even southerners knew it was wrong to hold slaves at this point, but they had little choice else.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    The US flag represents the country, while the Confederate flag denotes a specific faction that was willing to die for the right to own their fellow human beings. It should be removed from public property and heavily stigmatized.
    If you think that hundreds of thousands of southerners joined the cause of the south to fight for the purpose of slavery........ when only a small fraction owned slaves........ you are sorely mistaken.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    No, it's just a constant reminder of racism, murder, slavery, segregation, beatings, whipping, lynchings, ripping families apart, from the POV of those with generations of being the subjugated.

    Are you capable of seeing things from others perspectives? Do you think the pain of your loss of having the flag removed yet still sold on gazillions of schwag will be greater than a daily reminder of all of the above?
    What about the thousands and thousands of slaves that were well treated and better off under slavery than out on their ass with nothing?

    What about all the slaves in the north that WEREN'T freed by the Emancipation Proclamation.

    Thats right.... Slavery was legal in the north up until after the end of the civil war.... as much as those in the north try to re-write history....

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    To you.

    You some people it is a symbol of heritage. If you hadn't actually lived in the south, you wouldn't understand that southerners are actually quite proud of being from the impovershed and marginalized region known as "the south".

    Impoverished due to the "reconstruction" era... and marginalized by liberal media and northern "educational" institutions.
    Its a cultural thing... no different than those who have mexican ancestry display a mexican flag.... those with irish display an irish flag..... those who are potheads display a jamaican flag, etc.


    If there were not morons out there who believe it to mean one is a racist, I would proudly display it myself.
    It is a bull**** excuse for people to justify displaying a symbol knowing exactly what it is and what they are doing and the message they are trying to send with it. If a group of people started displaying swastikas and yelling heil hitler all the time and claimed it was not because of the nazi germany era but because they really like 90 degree angles and words that start with H would you buy that crap too? The confederate flag has been used quite a few times in history. It was flown as a symbol of a divided country by those desperately trying to cling to slavery. It largely disappeared for quite a while, then made a large comeback as a symbol of the dixiecrats who were largely running on a segregation platform. It has been used consistently by the KKK and other racist groups. The reason it was put up (and has not been taken down since) is largely believed to have been a symbol of SC's opposition to desegregation in schools.

    There are a number of symbols that could be used in the south as a symbol of pride, symbols that are not so closely tied to racism time and time again. This flag in politics and movements has always represented one thing, and that is racism. Individuals can do what they'd like. Putting a symbol that has only been used in politics for the repression of people on government grounds as a symbol of pride is at the very least extremely poor judgement.

    How would you feel if Obama were to demand that all Federal buildings fly

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    Not as a racial group but a symbol of pride for black americans? My guess is many in white america would be uncomfortable and would protest those being flown by our government as a symbol of our country regardless of the "reason" they are being flown, but because of what they represent to most people.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

    False
    ....the declaration of independence laid the foundation of america, but that declaration would not have be passed by the continental congress had it tried to end slavery by just 3 states ....... the other states wanted to end slavery, ....... the declaration was needed at all cost to unite the colonies against Britain.......and there is no founding principle at blacks are inferior.

    under the articles of confederation, the central government ENDED any SLAVERY when it had authority TO DO SO....slavery was illegal by the Northwest Ordinance......but could not be ended by the central government among the states, because states were sovereign and independent states with their own militias and own laws.

    the states sent delegates from every state but RI to the constitutional convention , those delegates were sent their to fix the articles of confederation not create a new constitution, but a new constitution was created and that constitution is about federalism the separation of powers between the states and the new federal government .......and that is all it about......with the states still remaining sovereign and independent states.

    the bill of rights is about restrictions placed on the federal government, in addition to the federal government being limited government.

    there are no foundations laid by the AOC central government or the federal government that blacks are subhuman.......

    where the government had the power to end slavery they did it, and to point out that slavery was in a proposal made at the convention which would have made it a legal practice, the founders stuck it out saying..........."there is nothing legal about slavery"

    you need your facts straight.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Actually this "Rebel Flag" represents rebelling against a strong central government, which is what we ended up with under Lincoln.

    If it were to make a political statement at all that is....

    Most people prefer it for the reasons I mentioned previously.
    No, most people dont. Most people use it for a symbol of hate. Myabe some others view as something else, but most do not.
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