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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are. But not a lot.

    I still say intent is important. Just because someone flies the Confederate flag doesn't mean they are being racist or are a racist.

    How many think that it was racist on the "General Lee"?
    How many black people did you see on that show?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Having been born and raised in the South, I am not mistaking the symbolism of the Confederate flag. I've been around people who have flown it my entire life, and I know full well what it means down here.
    So have I, and I know some who don't fly it to support racism. Some fly it to support another possible secession, but very few now would honestly support it including a return to slavery or even segregation.

    Heritage or Racism: The Confederate Flag : The Elm

    Just because you view it a certain way, doesn't mean others do. Do you believe the Dukes of Hazzard was racist? I was raised on that show. It is one that I own now. Does that make me racist for liking that show?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So have I, and I know some who don't fly it to support racism. Some fly it to support another possible secession, but very few now would honestly support it including a return to slavery or even segregation.

    Heritage or Racism: The Confederate Flag : The Elm

    Just because you view it a certain way, doesn't mean others do. Do you believe the Dukes of Hazzard was racist? I was raised on that show. It is one that I own now. Does that make me racist for liking that show?
    I don't know if the show is racist or not, honestly. It wasn't my cup of tea when I was a kid. I do know that I don't recall seeing too many black people on the show, but that doesn't mean anything.

    What does mean something is what I've said, over and over. I was born here. I was raised here. I've lived here most of my life, and save the last 5 years, I've lived out in the country with the biggest, rowdiest rednecks you'd ever want to (or not want to) meet. They were the beer drinking flag flyers, and as I have mentioned before, heritage was not on their minds when they were flying the flags. At least not if you could tell by listening to what they said.

    Now of course, I'm certain that they could have been lying. I'm sure that they were talking about heritage when using the "n" word. I'm sure of it.

    I unfortunately know about this. I hate that I grew up in this vile, hateful kind of environment, but I did. I can't help what I was raised in. But it also unfortunately makes me knowledgeable about the way most of these people think.

    But everybody bury your heads in the sand, and continue banging that "heritage, not hate" drum.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    How many black people did you see on that show?
    How many black people were in a lot of shows during that time? It wasn't exactly common in the late 70s/early 80s or blacks and whites to "share" shows. That is about the time things started to change.

    There were also pretty much no one of any other race either, nor were there really any middle class people in Hazzard. Not sure there were any homeless either, unless they were someone who just became homeless or was about to become homeless, but would be helped by someone (usually the Dukes).

    But just to be clear, one of the sheriffs in another county was black.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    I don't know if the show is racist or not, honestly. It wasn't my cup of tea when I was a kid. I do know that I don't recall seeing too many black people on the show, but that doesn't mean anything.

    What does mean something is what I've said, over and over. I was born here. I was raised here. I've lived here most of my life, and save the last 5 years, I've lived out in the country with the biggest, rowdiest rednecks you'd ever want to (or not want to) meet. They were the beer drinking flag flyers, and as I have mentioned before, heritage was not on their minds when they were flying the flags. At least not if you could tell by listening to what they said.

    Now of course, I'm certain that they could have been lying. I'm sure that they were talking about heritage when using the "n" word. I'm sure of it.

    I unfortunately know about this. I hate that I grew up in this vile, hateful kind of environment, but I did. I can't help what I was raised in. But it also unfortunately makes me knowledgeable about the way most of these people think.

    But everybody bury your heads in the sand, and continue banging that "heritage, not hate" drum.
    Again, I was born and raised in the South (born in Kentucky, then raised in NC). I knew some "good ol' boys" who were racists, but also knew and know plenty who aren't. Heck, most of those my husband and I went camping with back in Nov could be considered good ol' boys, some flying the confederate flag. Funny how the two black women we had with us while out camping seemed to be fine with it.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Again, I was born and raised in the South (born in Kentucky, then raised in NC). I knew some "good ol' boys" who were racists, but also knew and know plenty who aren't. Heck, most of those my husband and I went camping with back in Nov could be considered good ol' boys, some flying the confederate flag. Funny how the two black women we had with us while out camping seemed to be fine with it.
    Funny how everybody who flies the flag, or are OK with the flag, have "black friends who are OK with it." Can't imagine anyone who is OK with the Confederate flag would honestly say, "I have a black friend who got pissed when we raised that flag at the campsite."
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Funny how everybody who flies the flag, or are OK with the flag, have "black friends who are OK with it." Can't imagine anyone who is OK with the Confederate flag would honestly say, "I have a black friend who got pissed when we raised that flag at the campsite."
    Why not? If it was upsetting to them, wouldn't they say something? Or wouldn't they at least let someone know? Do you think no black people watched Dukes of Hazzard, where every day there was a confederate flag right there? Or perhaps, is it possible, that not everyone, views it the same as you do, including some black people?

    Oh, and I never said "we raised the flag at the campsite". Having the flag displayed somewhere isn't the same as raising it as if declaring the area "owned" under a banner.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

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    Every first-world nation is a REGULATED capitalist nation. Try to find a first-world nation where the capitalism is not strongly regulated - you won't find one.

    However, if you travel to most third-world democracies, you'll certainly find truly deregulated capitalism. I strongly recommend you travel the world a bit, so that you can see it for yourself.
    Not true, in a lot of third world countries the bureaucracy and red tape is even worse than in the US and its so bad that most of the time you need to pay an insider just to get things done.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Funny how everybody who flies the flag, or are OK with the flag, have "black friends who are OK with it." Can't imagine anyone who is OK with the Confederate flag would honestly say, "I have a black friend who got pissed when we raised that flag at the campsite."
    Then why do Democrat politicians do it?

    You do realize it was a Democrat governor of South Carolina who first raised the Confederate flag over the state house don't you? His name is Ernest Fritz Hollings. He used to be the governor, he put it up. Later he became a U.S. Democrat Senator representing South Carolina.

    But he wasn't the only governor of our time that celebrated the confederacy. Bill and Hill Clinton did too while he was governor of Arkansas. In 1987, while governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton signed Act 116 that stated “The blue star above the word “ARKANSAS” is to commemorate the Confederate States of America.”



    But then again one person Clinton portrayed as his mentor from Arkansas was Senator J. William Fulbright, a proud segregationist!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._William_Fulbright

    But speaking of Arkansas, another famous Democrat Senator from Arkansas, was Al Gore's father. He too was a segregationist. He was in office during the vote of the Civil Rights bill and voted against it like most the Dixiecrats. (Southern Democrats) And just a stone's throw away in West Virginia was Democrat Senator (Sheets) Byrd....not just a member of the KKK but one of their grand wizard types. Ole President Johnson was indebted to the Republicans in getting the Civil Rights Act passed and made that publically known as the Dixiecrats (Southern Democrats) tried to thwart it every way they could muster.

    I agree with those who think the Confederate flag should be in a museum. But what I have a real problem with is the revisionist history being portrayed by those on the left. Either be willing to tell history honestly and stop the revisionism or shut up and sit down.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Keep the flag. Most people who fly the flag today don't support slavery or racism, but instead use it to honor their ancestors or culture. Even if they did support racism or slavery, it still shouldn't be abolished. Freedom of speech is more important than protecting people's feelings.

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