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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    How about you point to the post where I said anyone **** didn't stink? Take your time and be thorough. And to keep with your analogy, everyone's **** did stink, noone denies that, but the **** stunk far worse in the south.



    What I was replying to? How about this:

    You might want to read of the history of slavery in New York and other Northern states. New York clung to slavery as doggedly as the Southern states did

    That is what started this.

    Noone clung to slavery like they did in the south. I said in my very first post to you on this thread that NY was far from perfect but to claim they clung to slavery as doggedly as the south did is rediculous. Noone clung to slavery like the south.

    Then you started trying to argue when i posted that NY was moving toward abolition within 10 years of this country becoming a country.

    You can look up the details. NY had free blacks within 5 years. By 1781 NY state officials voted to free some slaves. By 1790 1 in 3 blacks in NY were free. Most state rulings freed more steps toward abolition freeing more slaves in 1791. Again, as I have said in every post, NY was far from perfect, but they were working toward abolition far before the south was. Slaves fled the south and headed north where they would have a chance. They didn't flee the south because it was sooooo much better there. As far as your claim of profitability goes, there were slaves being freed while slavery was profitable. And furthermore, when was slavery not profitable? It was free labor.

    When it comes to slavery and the historic treatment of blacks, yes every states **** stinks (which noone has denied) but the south stunk far worse. It isn't even close.
    You jumped into the conversation defending New York. New York had a 200 year history of shame. Deal with it.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    And furthermore, when was slavery not profitable? It was free labor.
    Before the cotton gin slavery in the South was actually not that profitable as it was inefficient and the costs of having slaves like buying them, clothing them, housing them, etc. outweighed the money you could make off of them until the cotton gin came along and made slave-based agriculture actually economically viable.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You jumped into the conversation defending New York. New York had a 200 year history of shame. Deal with it.
    I shall point out that during and after the revolution New York City which remained under British control was the place where slaves could go and they would be given their freedom and land in Canada after fighting for the British during the war and that policy continued even after the war had ended until New York was given to the Americans.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    So everybody who is in favor of the flag, let me ask you this.

    What if you were Jewish, and everywhere you turned, you saw a flag with a swastika on it? It was flying over your capitol building It was on the license plate of your car that you had to pay Ad Velorum tax to have. Everytime you went shopping, it was on t shirts and beer cozies and flying from the backs of giant 4 wheel drives.

    How would that make you feel?

    Both are symbols of hate and divisiveness. I would only hope that if that ever happened to any of you, you wouldn't be called a crybaby.
    And if you were misreading the symbolism?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

    "It continues to be commonly used as a religious symbol in Hinduism and Buddhism.[3]"

    Would you get mad at Buddhist or Hindus for using their symbol the way they see it as, just because you view it as hateful? Isn't that you not taking their intent into mind? You are insisting that others see it a certain way, but unwilling to find out the intent people use behind the symbol they show. It doesn't have to mean anything "bad" or hateful at all.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I shall point out that during and after the revolution New York City which remained under British control was the place where slaves could go and they would be given their freedom and land in Canada after fighting for the British during the war and that policy continued even after the war had ended until New York was given to the Americans.
    You know what is more pathetic than defending slave history while ****ting yourself over a media induced frenzy regarding the confederate flag?

    Nothing.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    yes. Its a symbol of treason.
    Sort of like a bunch of '99%ers' threatening anarchy?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And if you were misreading the symbolism?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

    "It continues to be commonly used as a religious symbol in Hinduism and Buddhism.[3]"

    Would you get mad at Buddhist or Hindus for using their symbol the way they see it as, just because you view it as hateful? Isn't that you not taking their intent into mind? You are insisting that others see it a certain way, but unwilling to find out the intent people use behind the symbol they show. It doesn't have to mean anything "bad" or hateful at all.
    I would say that there is significant stylistic difference between a Nazi swastika and the others.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Incorrect.



    Irrelevant.
    Obnoxious.

    The USA was not recognized as a nation for over a year but they had a flag and then only France recognized them.

    Having a flag that represents your cause is independent of being recognized as a nation.
    Actually, Morocco was the first country to formally recognize the US as an independent country in 1777...

    "...During the American Revolution, so many American ships used to call at the port of Tangiers that the Continental Congress sought recognition from the “Emperor” of Morocco to establish good relations between the two countries. This recognition was granted in 1777, making Morocco the first country to recognize the United States of America...."

    Embassy of the kingdom of morocco in the USA

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocc...ates_relations


    Not sure, but I don't think the US had an official flag at that time.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    I would say that there is significant stylistic difference between a Nazi swastika and the others.
    There are. But not a lot.

    I still say intent is important. Just because someone flies the Confederate flag doesn't mean they are being racist or are a racist.

    How many think that it was racist on the "General Lee"?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And if you were misreading the symbolism?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

    "It continues to be commonly used as a religious symbol in Hinduism and Buddhism.[3]"

    Would you get mad at Buddhist or Hindus for using their symbol the way they see it as, just because you view it as hateful? Isn't that you not taking their intent into mind? You are insisting that others see it a certain way, but unwilling to find out the intent people use behind the symbol they show. It doesn't have to mean anything "bad" or hateful at all.
    Having been born and raised in the South, I am not mistaking the symbolism of the Confederate flag. I've been around people who have flown it my entire life, and I know full well what it means down here.
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