View Poll Results: Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

Voters
186. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    55 29.57%
  • No

    131 70.43%
Page 42 of 270 FirstFirst ... 3240414243445292142 ... LastLast
Results 411 to 420 of 2695

Thread: Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

  1. #411
    Sage


    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-05-16 @ 09:05 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    22,029

    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    The point is not whether they "can" display it - the point is that you're denigrating something they hold near and dear. They are not the confused ones. The confused ones are those who think it is - or should be seen as - racist.
    The only people who seem to be defending that rag are white supremacists. Taking that flag down might hurt their feeeeelings.

    Your argument is becoming disjointed as you jump back and forth to prove some evasive point. There are undeniable similarties between the flag-banners and both traditional fascism and McCarthy's tactics. All three seek to quell opinions that differ from their own and to legislate thought. McCarthy wasn't just a "Wisconsin Senator." He launched a witch hunt against those he claimed supported communism. Just like now, people were pointing fingers at their neighbors - and McCarthy used it to his advantage. He extolled the evils of communism, although there was very little communism going around. Just as today, there is very little racism associated with the Confederate Flag, as you've been shown.
    So you wouldn't mind if white supremacists hung a Nazi flag over your state capital?

  2. #412
    Sage
    Paperview's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    The Road Less Travelled
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:08 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,131

    Re: Confederate Flag

    Look at those Confederate flags.

    They're recruiting....



    Published on Jun 8, 2014

    Inside The Ku Klux Klan: KKK Explain Their Plan For Expansion

  3. #413
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    46,250

    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    That's bull. Most of Southern states created laws barring anti-slavery books, pamphlets, organizations, or even speaking ill against the "peculiar institution" the majority in the South wanted to preserve and expand.

    They would even put you in jail for speaking out against it, or printing abolitionist material or preach against it.
    The states disallowed gatherings of people who would assemble to discuss anything anti-slavery.
    How's that for 1st Amendment rights?

    Hell, the South even had even implemented a Gag order to prevent the topic of Slavery from even being discussed in Congress or the tens of thousands of petitions from the Northerners to be even spoken about on the floor of Congress. GAGGED.

    Those Southrons trampled the hell out of the precious Constitution -- and abolitionists -

    were

    NOT WELCOME.
    You are uninformed.

    Kentucky even offered legislation to its state in 1849. Evangelicals preached an end to slavery throughout the 30's and 40s. Obviously they werent the majority...but it was in work.

  4. #414
    Sage
    Bodhisattva's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    New Zealand
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:52 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    51,048

    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The only people who seem to be defending that rag are white supremacists. Taking that flag down might hurt their feeeeelings.
    Works better if you go feeeeeeelings

    So you wouldn't mind if white supremacists hung a Nazi flag over your state capital?
    Was the Swastika a state or national flag in the United States at one time and I missed it?
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

  5. #415
    Sage


    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-05-16 @ 09:05 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    22,029

    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Works better if you go feeeeeeelings



    Was the Swastika a state or national flag in the United States at one time and I missed it?
    False comparison. The confederate battle flag was never a state or national flag and the South was never recognized as a nation.

  6. #416
    Sage
    Paperview's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    The Road Less Travelled
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:08 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,131

    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You are uninformed.

    Kentucky even offered legislation to its state in 1849. Evangelicals preached an end to slavery throughout the 30's and 40s. Obviously they werent the majority...but it was in work.
    No.

    YOU are uniformed.


    Nothing I said here was incorrect.

    Most of Southern states created laws barring anti-slavery books, pamphlets, organizations, or even speaking ill against the "peculiar institution" the majority in the South wanted to preserve and expand.

    They would even put you in jail for speaking out against it, or printing abolitionist material or preach against it.
    The states disallowed gatherings of people who would assemble to discuss anything anti-slavery.
    How's that for 1st Amendment rights?


    Cherry-pick a Non-Confederate state Ca. 1830's -- that's about the best ya got? Ha!
    Last edited by Paperview; 06-24-15 at 10:12 PM.

  7. #417
    Sage
    Bodhisattva's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    New Zealand
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:52 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    51,048

    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    False comparison.
    Incorrect.

    The confederate battle flag was never a state or national flag and the South was never recognized as a nation.
    Irrelevant. The USA was not recognized as a nation for over a year but they had a flag and then only France recognized them.

    Having a flag that represents your cause is independent of being recognized as a nation.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

  8. #418
    Sage
    Paperview's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    The Road Less Travelled
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:08 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,131

    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Incorrect.



    Irrelevant. The USA was not recognized as a nation for over a year but they had a flag and then only France recognized them.

    Having a flag that represents your cause is independent of being recognized as a nation.
    But the USA *was recognized as a nation.

    The CSA *never* was.

    By anyone.

  9. #419
    Sage
    Kreton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    5,920

    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There were abolitionists in the south as well. States like Tennessee and Kentucky were already working towards an end to slavery. Point is...no ones **** didnt stink. As long as slavery was profitable New York and other northern states werent exactly charging to let it go.
    .
    How about you point to the post where I said anyone **** didn't stink? Take your time and be thorough. And to keep with your analogy, everyone's **** did stink, noone denies that, but the **** stunk far worse in the south.

    What you said was New York was moving towards abolition within 10 years of the formation of the country. It was more like 50, and it wasnt like those running the show were happy about it ending...even in New York. And just because NEw York ended slavery before the south did, that doesnt exactly erase 200 years of slave history, now does it? And THAT was the point of the post that you responded to. Not some inane comparison of "our state was better than yours"...but that the Northern states are rather crimson as well.
    What I was replying to? How about this:

    You might want to read of the history of slavery in New York and other Northern states. New York clung to slavery as doggedly as the Southern states did

    That is what started this.

    Noone clung to slavery like they did in the south. I said in my very first post to you on this thread that NY was far from perfect but to claim they clung to slavery as doggedly as the south did is rediculous. Noone clung to slavery like the south.

    Then you started trying to argue when i posted that NY was moving toward abolition within 10 years of this country becoming a country.

    You can look up the details. NY had free blacks within 5 years. By 1781 NY state officials voted to free some slaves. By 1790 1 in 3 blacks in NY were free. Most state rulings freed more steps toward abolition freeing more slaves in 1791. Again, as I have said in every post, NY was far from perfect, but they were working toward abolition far before the south was. Slaves fled the south and headed north where they would have a chance. They didn't flee the south because it was sooooo much better there. As far as your claim of profitability goes, there were slaves being freed while slavery was profitable. And furthermore, when was slavery not profitable? It was free labor.

    When it comes to slavery and the historic treatment of blacks, yes every states **** stinks (which noone has denied) but the south stunk far worse. It isn't even close.
    “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”
    Stephen R. Covey


  10. #420
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    46,250

    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Look at those Confederate flags.

    They're recruiting....



    Published on Jun 8, 2014

    Inside The Ku Klux Klan: KKK Explain Their Plan For Expansion
    Is that the Senator Byrd family reunion?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •