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    Re: Confederate Flag

    yes. Its a symbol of treason.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The GOP rejected the African American vote with Nixon' "Southern Strategy" wherein they specifically targeted the "negrophobes" in the South who were outraged at the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

    And have I ever known government to be very effective? That's very easy to answer. What democracies have the highest standards of living for their populations in terms of education, income, safety, and life expectancy? The first-world democracies, of course. And what do ALL first-world democracies have in common? BIG government, HIGH effective taxes, and STRONG regulation.

    So...yeah, in the case of ALL the first-world nations of the free world, government IS very effective indeed, as is evinced by the well-being and standards of living of their people.

    On the other side of the coin, is there ANY first-world nation that has the conservative trifecta of 'small' government, low effective taxes, and weak regulation? No. Bear in mind that there ARE many such nations...and they're ALL third-world nations.

    So...are you going to stick with your dogma, with the crap spoon-fed you by the right-wing echo chamber? Or are you going to base your decision on the REAL-WORLD RESULTS that we see in the world all around us?
    I see you forgot to mention that most important factor in the success of first world nations....capitalism.

    you need to update the left wing echo chamber so it spoon feeds you better information... forgetting the most important factor is inexcusable.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I see you forgot to mention that most important factor in the success of first world nations....capitalism.

    you need to update the left wing echo chamber so it spoon feeds you better information... forgetting the most important factor is inexcusable.
    'Scuse you, but if you want capitalism unbound, then go to almost any of the third-world democracies out there - in almost every case, they've got almost-completely unregulated capitalism, unhindered by high taxes or strong regulation.

    And that's not from the "left-wing echo chamber" - that's from actually being there and seeing it first-hand.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    'Scuse you, but if you want capitalism unbound, then go to almost any of the third-world democracies out there - in almost every case, they've got almost-completely unregulated capitalism, unhindered by high taxes or strong regulation.

    And that's not from the "left-wing echo chamber" - that's from actually being there and seeing it first-hand.
    every first world world nation is capitalist... every single one of them (fyi, it's part of the definition of "1st world". )

    i'm sorry that makes you sad.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    "Slavery was a part of every American colony until outlawed in the first Vermont constitution of 1777. Pennsylvania gradually abolished slavery, beginning three years later. Court decisions freed all Massachusetts slaves by 1783. In New York, slavery remained economically important. Emancipation came grudgingly, and not completely until 1827."

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    New York was the slave capitol of the country for 200 years. New York had the largest slave market in the unformed and newly formed country. New York was no different from anywhere else in the country. it evolved...and the southern states also would have evolved in a much more healthy manner.

    Now...for all the bull**** about the evil south and living under (gasp) a confederate flag, tell me how well black communities are faring in Northern states? Tell me how they are faring across the country, regardless of the presence of a Confederate flag.
    Did I ever say slavery was never in new York? Pretty sure I didn't. If you want to have a conversation about slavery in NY vs the south and compare who was deeper into it, who exploited it further, who had stricter slave laws, and which state was taking actual steps toward abolition I'd be glad to. I am extremely well versed in American history. I never claimed NY was perfect, but they were far more anti slavery than the southern states were. They were nowhere near as bad . When I am on my pc tomorrow rather than a cell phone I will post some of what was taking place in NY toward abolishing slavery prior to the civil war if you'd like. In the meantime you try to look up what was going on in the south. We can compare notes.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    every first world world nation is capitalist... every single one of them (fyi, it's part of the definition of "1st world". )

    i'm sorry that makes you sad.
    Every first-world nation is a REGULATED capitalist nation. Try to find a first-world nation where the capitalism is not strongly regulated - you won't find one.

    However, if you travel to most third-world democracies, you'll certainly find truly deregulated capitalism. I strongly recommend you travel the world a bit, so that you can see it for yourself.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Every first-world nation is a REGULATED capitalist nation. Try to find a first-world nation where the capitalism is not strongly regulated - you won't find one.
    at least i finally got you to admit they are capitalists... that's progress in my book
    anytime i can get a quasi-socialist far left hater to admit to reality, it's a good day.

    oh, btw, i said nothign of unregulated capitalism.. that's your strawman and yours alone... you own it, you keep it.

    However, if you travel to most third-world democracies, you'll certainly find truly deregulated capitalism. I strongly recommend you travel the world a bit, so that you can see it for yourself.
    I've traveled the world, thanks... I even have a home and property in Colombia.

    and again.. keep your strawman to yourself.. i'm not interested.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Any that are should be changed. Those who governed and supported the Confederacy committed treason...and it is wrong to keep symbols of treason on our government sites.
    I am having a dumb moment, dumber than normal... you think that those Southern Confederacy state flags should be taken down and replaced, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Did I ever say slavery was never in new York? Pretty sure I didn't. If you want to have a conversation about slavery in NY vs the south and compare who was deeper into it, who exploited it further, who had stricter slave laws, and which state was taking actual steps toward abolition I'd be glad to. I am extremely well versed in American history. I never claimed NY was perfect, but they were far more anti slavery than the southern states were. They were nowhere near as bad . When I am on my pc tomorrow rather than a cell phone I will post some of what was taking place in NY toward abolishing slavery prior to the civil war if you'd like. In the meantime you try to look up what was going on in the south. We can compare notes.
    There were abolitionists in the south as well. States like Tennessee and Kentucky were already working towards an end to slavery. Point is...no ones **** didnt stink. As long as slavery was profitable New York and other northern states werent exactly charging to let it go.

    What you said was New York was moving towards abolition within 10 years of the formation of the country. It was more like 50, and it wasnt like those running the show were happy about it ending...even in New York. And just because NEw York ended slavery before the south did, that doesnt exactly erase 200 years of slave history, now does it? And THAT was the point of the post that you responded to. Not some inane comparison of "our state was better than yours"...but that the Northern states are rather crimson as well.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There were abolitionists in the south as well.
    ....
    That's bull. Most of Southern states created laws barring anti-slavery books, pamphlets, organizations, or even speaking ill against the "peculiar institution" the majority in the South wanted to preserve and expand.

    They would even put you in jail for speaking out against it, or printing abolitionist material or preach against it.
    The states disallowed gatherings of people who would assemble to discuss anything anti-slavery.
    How's that for 1st Amendment rights?

    Hell, the South even had even implemented a Gag order to prevent the topic of Slavery from even being discussed in Congress or the tens of thousands of petitions from the Northerners to be even spoken about on the floor of Congress. GAGGED.

    Those Southrons trampled the hell out of the precious Constitution -- and abolitionists -

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