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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Again...that all blather. You might want to read of the history of slavery in New York and other Northern states. New York clung to slavery as doggedly as the Southern states did while it was economically viable. And if you want to talk sheer brutality toward 'slaves' check on the native Indian tribes.

    This whole thing is promotion of a 'cause'. It's an excuse to create outrage and profit from it. You should be embarrassed.
    NY clung to slavery like the south did? Fact check that please. You are grossly misinformed. Within 10 years of the United states gaining thier independence NY was taking steps toward abolition. They had schools for blacks. They had some free blacks. A far cry from freedom, perfect or even good, but nowhere even close to what was happening in the south.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Would that be a site telling the truth or merely one that tells the story like its author thinks it should be told?
    Read educational information about the civil war. Research it. Learn. Not from groups seeking to discount what happened,but learn what took place. Then come start a thread about what you learned. We can talk then. But your previous claims are not supported by any credible source.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    lol. Unless you're an octogenarian, I doubt it.

    There was nothing honorable about traitorous slavers who took up arms against the country. Honor the dead in graveyards and memorials and wave it on your property all you like.
    Well, perhaps we're of similar age then. LOL

    I see you still do not understand that your "traitorous slavers" weren't the average joe's that fought that war.
    The state has no business giving legitimacy to a flag with so many dark, racist, human-trafficking odors coming off of it.


    A total of seven states have incorporated the confederate flag, one version or another, into their actual state flag. I suppose those will be targeted next.

    You cannot erase history by banning a symbol.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Well, perhaps we're of similar age then. LOL

    I see you still do not understand that your "traitorous slavers" weren't the average joe's that fought that war.




    A total of seven states have incorporated the confederate flag, one version or another, into their actual state flag. I suppose those will be targeted next.

    You cannot erase history by banning a symbol.
    I don't think anyone wants to erase history. It happened. We should acknowledge that, and learn from it. But there is a big gap between erasing history and glorifying the mistakes our country made. Slavery happened, the civil war happened, flying a flag representing that era like a symbol of pride is unacceptable.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I don't think anyone wants to erase history. It happened. We should acknowledge that, and learn from it. But there is a big gap between erasing history and glorifying the mistakes our country made. Slavery happened, the civil war happened, flying a flag representing that era like a symbol of pride is unacceptable.
    I agree. Put it in a museum. Fly it over Confederate cemeteries. But don't shove it in the face of people who find what it stands for, grossly offensive.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    It does seem a bit on the lax side, but have you known government to ever be very effective?

    I'm not sure the GOP "lost" the African American vote - anymore than I think the Democrat Party "earned" it.
    The GOP rejected the African American vote with Nixon' "Southern Strategy" wherein they specifically targeted the "negrophobes" in the South who were outraged at the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

    And have I ever known government to be very effective? That's very easy to answer. What democracies have the highest standards of living for their populations in terms of education, income, safety, and life expectancy? The first-world democracies, of course. And what do ALL first-world democracies have in common? BIG government, HIGH effective taxes, and STRONG regulation.

    So...yeah, in the case of ALL the first-world nations of the free world, government IS very effective indeed, as is evinced by the well-being and standards of living of their people.

    On the other side of the coin, is there ANY first-world nation that has the conservative trifecta of 'small' government, low effective taxes, and weak regulation? No. Bear in mind that there ARE many such nations...and they're ALL third-world nations.

    So...are you going to stick with your dogma, with the crap spoon-fed you by the right-wing echo chamber? Or are you going to base your decision on the REAL-WORLD RESULTS that we see in the world all around us?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I am not using that "justification" as I have made no claims about the CF being used or abandoned either way...

    That said, answer clearly whether Southern State Flags from the seceeding nations should have their flags removed from government buildings as well, or not. They are every bit as racist as the CF is.
    Hunh? "seceeding nations"? I assume you mean "seceding states"...and there should be nothing on their flags that references the Confederacy.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    NY clung to slavery like the south did? Fact check that please. You are grossly misinformed. Within 10 years of the United states gaining thier independence NY was taking steps toward abolition. They had schools for blacks. They had some free blacks. A far cry from freedom, perfect or even good, but nowhere even close to what was happening in the south.
    "Slavery was a part of every American colony until outlawed in the first Vermont constitution of 1777. Pennsylvania gradually abolished slavery, beginning three years later. Court decisions freed all Massachusetts slaves by 1783. In New York, slavery remained economically important. Emancipation came grudgingly, and not completely until 1827."

    New-York Historical Society | New York Divided: Slavery and the Civil War

    New York was the slave capitol of the country for 200 years. New York had the largest slave market in the unformed and newly formed country. New York was no different from anywhere else in the country. it evolved...and the southern states also would have evolved in a much more healthy manner.

    Now...for all the bull**** about the evil south and living under (gasp) a confederate flag, tell me how well black communities are faring in Northern states? Tell me how they are faring across the country, regardless of the presence of a Confederate flag.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Hunh? "seceeding nations"? I assume you mean "seceding states"...and there should be nothing on their flags that references the Confederacy.
    I made a typo... that really shouldn't be a "Hunh" moment.

    And the flags themselve are references to the Confederacy.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I made a typo... that really shouldn't be a "Hunh" moment.

    And the flags themselve are references to the Confederacy.
    Any that are should be changed. Those who governed and supported the Confederacy committed treason...and it is wrong to keep symbols of treason on our government sites.
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