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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The sons and daughters of the South can still display their symbol of the defense of a racist system,
    it is just that the State should not use such symbols.


    They can have it tattooed on their forehead if they want.

    But no state should give any racist any reason to think that the state supports their racism.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    That sounds good in theory, but that's not what the flag represents to the people of the South. This is what it represents - the fallen - and this is what you're denigrating:
    Again, moving the goalposts. If a business or group or individual wants to display a symbol representing the defense of a racist slave system, it is their prerogative. But the people are speaking, they do not want a symbol that was resurrected by the Dixiecrats and the KKK to be used by the current govt of the State(s).
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    They can have it tattooed on their forehead if they want.

    But no state should give any racist any reason to think that the state supports their racism.
    Unless the state does support their racism. They should put it to a vote.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    False analogy. We can certainly ban the death penalty without banning all forms of punishment. On the other hand, if we declare the Confederate Flag to be racist because it had its origins in defense of slavery, so must we declare all symbols from that era banned.

    You are correct in that it is a slippery slope - but it's more - it's an orchestrated attempt to punish the South once again. It's the start of cultural identity genocide.

    Just like when the United States took the little Native American children and schooled them in era clothing and insisted that they attend schools that taught what other American schools taught. "Cultural assimilation" we called that.

    Fascinating to see how it's rearing its ugly head again. I suppose it will be another 100 years before society admits it made another mistake.
    False equivalence. A flag representing a country that has had racism in its history is not the same as a flag that represents that racism inherently. This has been pointed out to you repeatedly now.

    Otherwise by your logic the swastika flag is acceptable because other nations have a history of atrocities.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    On the one hand, you say they can "display their symbol of the defense of a racist system," and then you turn around and pretend this agenda isn't identical to McCarthyism.

    Amazing.

    Simply amazing.
    Your analogies are just so false. McCarthyism was a self-promotional sensationalism by a conservative Senator based on nearly nonexistent activity. The call to end the display of the Confederacy BF is based on the movement to end racism in the US which is a real, widespread ideology that still has large negative effects in US society.

    Your arguments have little knowledge or understanding of US history.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Not exactly. It never went away and it was always associated with honoring the fallen. You want to wipe their memories from the face of the earth.

    That's truly sad. And, all because you need to punish those ignorant Southerners.

    Truly amazing hatred there, my friend. Here's a 1920 celebration:



    Confederate veterans in 1944: (How DARE that black man sit there and honor the flag?) Is he an Uncle Tom?



    And how dare they honor the dead with that flag back then? Aren't you telling us it wasn't even around until the racist Democrats opposed Civil Rights? This is 1922, by the way.



    Everything you've said - you've concocted. The flag is something used to honor the soldiers and the culture. Fascists Leftists are intent on making something that holds honor and pride for many into something dirty.

    And - you're winning. Congratulations.
    You apparently didn't bother to read that post I wrote.

    The flag *was* mostly put away after the war -- for decades. As I said. It saw a small resurgence during the time the South was starting to Jim Crow blacks to death and disenfranchise them -- in the late 1800's, early 1900's.

    But mostly, it was used at memorial and reunion parades. And what are those pictures of you show?

    Cemetery, Memorials, Reunion. Yeah, Do you understand the difference?

    It was not waved around willy nilly, and even when the Klan Marched on Washington, in the 1920's, when KKK membership was 4 million strong, (the 2nd iteration of the Klan) - you could find no CSA flags there.

    Cemeteries, Memorials, Reunion was where it was mostly seen.

    Until...Dixiecrat era, just as I said.

    Here: The History of the Confederate Battle Flag |

    "After the surrender in 1865, Confederate flags were folded and put away. They were most likely to be spotted at memorials or cemeteries. Even after the hopeful decade of Reconstruction gave way to the violent repression of Redemption, open displays of the flag remained rare.
    There was no need for a banner to signal defiance; Jim Crow reigned unchallenged.

    The flag slowly crept back into public life over the ensuing decades, saluted at veterans’ reunions, promoted by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, even carried into battle by units from the South. By the mid-twentieth century, the flags were also waved by football fans, and sold to tourists.

    But as a political symbol, the flag was revived when northern Democrats began to press for an end to the South’s system of racial oppression. In 1948, the Dixiecrats revolted against President Harry Truman—who had desegregated the armed forces and supported anti-lynching bills.

    The movement began in Mississippi in February of 1948, with thousands of activists “shouting rebel yells and waving the Confederate flag,” as the Associated Press reported at the time. Some actually removed old, mothballed flags from the trunks where they had until then been gathering dust."

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    The American flag represents freedom. It may have been a symbol of America during an unfortunate period in our history but that is not what it represents today. The confederate flag has always representes slavery. That has never changed.
    Some people appear to disagree with you...
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Your analogies are just so false. McCarthyism was a self-promotional sensationalism by a conservative Senator based on nearly nonexistent activity. The call to end the display of the Confederacy BF is based on the movement to end racism in the US which is a real, widespread ideology that still has large negative effects in US society.

    Your arguments have little knowledge or understanding of US history.
    You just made my point for me. The Confederate flag does not symbolize racism except for those who take part in a "nearly nonexistant activity," namely white supremacists. For the millions upon millions of others - it is a symbol that honors the fallen.

    You can claim that I have little knowledge or understanding of history if you so chose - we both know your argument is McCarthyist in nature. And, you can call him a "conservative," but he leaned toward fascism to ensure that everyone despised communism. He went so far as to question Ronald Reagan. McCarthy found communism as disgusting as you find the Confederacy.

    Nice bed pal there.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    At least that flag wins wars. The other one got it's ass handed to it in the only war ever fought for it.
    These guys got their ass handed to them as well. AND had a pretty good history of brutality, oppression, even slavery once upon a time.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post

    "After the surrender in 1865, Confederate flags were folded and put away. They were most likely to be spotted at memorials or cemeteries."
    That's my point exactly. For millions upon millions the CF is a flag that honors the fallen. It's a remembrance of the rape and pillage of the South.

    That's not racism.
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