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    Re: Confederate Flag

    The south lost.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Posted earlier in the thread: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064748031

    Some background on *why* the flag made it's resurgence.
    Complete conjecture and false parallels.

    The flag made its resurgence along with state centennial celebrations and then its popularity later soared with the popular TV show, Dukes of Hazard.

    A small group might view the flag as one of white supremacy, but very few. For the rest it is a symbol of southern culture and an honor to those ancestors who fell in the war.

    What the Left is trying to do is remove any symbols that might be cultural to the south.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    A small group might view the flag as one of white supremacy, but very few. For the rest it is a symbol of southern culture and an honor to those ancestors who fell in the war.

    What the Left is trying to do is remove any symbols that might be cultural to the south.
    If that were the case, you'd have flags honoring other wars being flown as well.

    All you have to do is look at the kind of people who fly the Confederate flag, and you'll know what you are dealing with. But it just sounds so much more polite to say it's about states' rights. Yeah, technically it is about states' rights - the right to keep slaves.

    And I don't see any symbols being removed from the South, but I'm all for it if the symbol is a symbol of hate and division, and clearly I'm not the only one who feels that way.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    The flag is racist as ****, and is a blight on every state capitol that chooses to fly it. Southerners can scream that it's not about racism, but about South pride or South culture til they're blue in the face, every else knows exactly what the flag stands for.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    Complete conjecture and false parallels.

    The flag made its resurgence along with state centennial celebrations and then its popularity later soared with the popular TV show, Dukes of Hazard.


    A small group might view the flag as one of white supremacy, but very few. For the rest it is a symbol of southern culture and an honor to those ancestors who fell in the war.

    What the Left is trying to do is remove any symbols that might be cultural to the south.
    No, not conjecture and not false parallels.

    The flag came out full force during Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat run, and the CR movement was threatening the White Supremacy of the south and their beloved Jim Crow laws.

    To deny this is to deny reality.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    If that were the case, you'd have flags honoring other wars being flown as well.
    There are. Texas flies it's battle flag with the date 1824. "Remember the Alamo." Besides the Civil War, there haven't been any other "state" battles other than the Alamo. Native Americans, however, fly individual tribe flags, using the symbols they used for eternity, and the US beat them as well.
    All you have to do is look at the kind of people who fly the Confederate flag, and you'll know what you are dealing with. But it just sounds so much more polite to say it's about states' rights. Yeah, technically it is about states' rights - the right to keep slaves.
    Hogwash. That's what it will come to mean now - but that's not what it means to so many. Aren't you glad you can take part in the intolerance?
    And I don't see any symbols being removed from the South, but I'm all for it if the symbol is a symbol of hate and division, and clearly I'm not the only one who feels that way.
    Liberals with a fascist bent and politicians of every stripe will "feel" that way now. You win.

    And sadly, intolerance wins right along with you.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    No, not conjecture and not false parallels.

    The flag came out full force during Strom Thurmond's Dixiecrat run, and the CR movement was threatening the White Supremacy of the south and their beloved Jim Crow laws.

    To deny this is to deny reality.
    To deny that the flag became a pop-culture icon, appearing on everything from shirts to mouse pads, posters and hats after made popular by the Dukes of Hazard is to deny reality.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    What most people consider to be the flag of the Confederacy is actually an adaptation of a battle flag used to differentiate between the "Stars and Bars" flag which, at a distance, could easily be confused with the "Stars and Stripes" of the Union.

    The Confederate states DID secede, in part, over the right to own slaves but the overall reason for secession was more about States Rights as a whole than anything else.
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    Crickets, lol.

    It was slavery. All other issues were a distant second. The writings and speeches from the time are very clear. And they completely go against this revisionist history that you are espousing.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The flag is racist as ****, and is a blight on every state capitol that chooses to fly it. Southerners can scream that it's not about racism, but about South pride or South culture til they're blue in the face, every else knows exactly what the flag stands for.
    Do you realize that the Southern Cross or a variety of the other Confederate flags appear on 7 state flags?

    What do you think should be done about that?

    And, what should happen to the war memorials and statues of Confederate war heroes?

    Should we also take Jefferson off our currency since he owned slaves?

    How far do you want to go?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post

    I didn't actually realize that it was flying in S.C. per their legislative requirements - and to me that screams 'archaic - and insulting, pretending to be blind to its modern concept'.
    Whats even more insulting is that the flag started being flown over S.C. in the 1960's, when the courts and the federal government was ending segregation and the fight for civil rights was under way.

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