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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    What would you think of, say, Idaho deciding to fly the Nazi flag at their state capitol? This is how we should be seeing any Confederate flag flown on state property.

    If someone just wants to fly the stars and bars just because he's a wannabe Johnnie Reb, that's a first-amendment right, as is a skinhead's right to fly the Nazi flag. But on taxpayer-funded state property, the flag of what was by definition a treasonous rebellion against America does not belong.
    ...and then I counter with, so were all the state flags of the South. Ban them all from government buildings then?
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    But only one was carried in the fight to preserve it.
    Maybe directly but all fought to preserve their cultures and those cultures included slavery and racism...
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    No Symbol should be ever abolished or outlawed.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Maybe directly but all fought to preserve their cultures and those cultures included slavery and racism...
    Up until about 1800 everyone had slaves, including the Africans from whom we bought our slaves. The problem is that as the rest of the Western world was learning to know better, the southern states doubled-down on stupid and went to war to preserve the institution. This shouldn't have to be explained.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Up until about 1800 everyone had slaves, including the Africans from whom we bought our slaves. The problem is that as the rest of the Western world was learning to know better, the southern states doubled-down on stupid and went to war to preserve the institution. This shouldn't have to be explained.
    Yes and no... The North, or the United States of America, openly allowed slavery in the South. It was not like they were fighting to end it, it was the South that seceeded that brought war. The USA was not some noble nation it allowed slavery, slaughtered the Native Americans and was hell deep into open racism against everybody basically not of Anglo-Saxon descent.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yes and no... The North, or the United States of America, openly allowed slavery in the South. It was not like they were fighting to end it, it was the South that seceeded that brought war. The USA was not some noble nation it allowed slavery, slaughtered the Native Americans and was hell deep into open racism against everybody basically not of Anglo-Saxon descent.
    Sure. And, from what I glean from reading about the day, had not the abolitionists forced their hand, the South would have gradually abandoned the idea of holding slaves. The writing that slavery was becoming unsustainable was on the wall. Lincoln even preferred it play itself out, clearly stating that he would allow slavery if it would hold together the union.

    The South left long before Lincoln took office though. Buchanan was president when they walked out, and he famously said that the South had no right to secede and the North had no right to stop them. Classic waffler if ever there was one.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    By "the state's-rights crowd," I assume you mean true Americans who respect the federalist system designed into our Constitution, and expressed in the Tenth Amendment. The Framers viewed the concentration of power in a national government as an invitation to tyranny and a threat to individual liberties, just as I do, and they carefully structured the Constitution to prevent it. That structure thwarts the centralized control statists so dearly want, and it is an important reason why they, with their taste for totalitarian government, loathe the Constitution and most things American.
    So if the states wanted to enslave black people, or choose to do so again, or re-institute segregation, that would be OK with you on the Holy Justification of States' Rights? Look, most of us didn't fall off the turnip truck. We know exactly what 'States' Rights' means.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Yes and no... The North, or the United States of America, openly allowed slavery in the South. It was not like they were fighting to end it, it was the South that seceeded that brought war. The USA was not some noble nation it allowed slavery, slaughtered the Native Americans and was hell deep into open racism against everybody basically not of Anglo-Saxon descent.
    Gee, thanks for the history lesson. How are you folks doing with your native population. Still keeping them in line?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Gee, thanks for the history lesson. How are you folks doing with your native population. Still keeping them in line?
    The Maori were treated better than just about any other native population, actually. Kiwis have incorporated/are incorporating cultural balance into the education system, repaying loans and land to tribes, setting them up with loan programs to start businesses, have Maori immersion education, openly celebrate Maori culture in government and still keep a treaty with them that is actively used in all aspects of New Zealand life/culture. How are the Native Americans doing? Drunk and and crappy land except for a few tribes like the one in Mississippi that got some good loans from banks, not government help but BANKS.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    To perhaps a couple billion people TODAY that swastica represents prosperity, heaven, bounty and peace, among other things, as I said.
    That's a rather absurd comment. You can't tell me that you would be so profoundly insensitive as to walk around in just about any state in the US with a swastika Tshirt on or waiving a flag with a swastika from your big ass truck. No, you wouldn't. Neither would you walk down any American street and starting flipping people your middle finger.
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