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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%
  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%

  • Total voters
    182
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So you can't explain how. Just "well.... its like, obvious and like... stufff... doh!"

If anyone thinks that the flag being on a flag pole on "state grounds" somehow made its use my racist morons "legitimate"..... I say that a person who thinks that way is a ****ing idiot.

So, I ask again... how is this going to improve race relations?

Nobody knows how the removal of the flag will pan out or effect race relations. But I think it's removal off government property might help show more respect for the country and a good start to putting the tainted past behind.
 
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Removing it does what? For those in this country who are still ruled by an ignorant hatred of people of another color it will not change anything. They are still going to hate, they are still going to fly it in their yard or on their vehicle and for those who do so out of a pride in their southern heritage and ancestry will be lumped into the "ignorant racist" category.

When people give in to the race baiters and hate mongers who want to create controversy over a piece of cloth they are doing nothing more than taking the easy way out. That is how the left is winning, call someone a racist or a homophobe and they quickly give in to what ever silly request you have.

It would seem for some people that you cannot acknowledge known historical facts about the Confederacy, slavery, racists, anti Americans, and their direct involvement with the rebel/Confederate battle flag without being called a Leftist or politically correct or whatever lame excuse for flying a flag that is the direct representation of a army formed to overthrow the USA. Doesnt it strike anyone as being unpatriotic?

I stand for the right of every American individual to fly whatever silly flag that they want. I also assert that public buildings should not fly a flag that represents the Confederacy unless its a museum of some sort. This is the USA not the CSA.
 
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Absolutely nothing. And I have agreed that it should be removed from all state flag poles. If that is what the people of that state wish.

However, people thinking it is going to change a damned thing are delusional.

It is political gesturing... nothing more.

Ok then why should the Confederate battle flag be removed from State flag poles if it has no effect on anything?
 
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And that is the core point. Though I am convicnmed that the CSA's view of the federal govement matches that of the founding fathers (confederation of autonomous states), the CSA battle flag was flown at state houses or added to state flags simply to piss off blacks.

CSA battle flags flown over, or very close to state houses do nothing for race relationships. Though the government is not obligated to enhance or "enhance" race relationships, it should neither go out of the way to damage them. Flying the flag over a state house represents the state. In short, the CSA flag should be removed from state houses, though not from state war memorials, historical parks. Likewise, all forts schools etc. named for CSA figures should stay as is.

I dont at all think that the CSA equates the framers views. In fact that is laughable.


If there is a legit purpose for flying a confederate flag or any other enemies flags on State property it should still meet the requirements in the US Flag Code. But it isnt just up to the State what flags they can fly on their public buildings. The US Flag Code has some definite restrictions. After all no actual American wants to see a unpatriotic flag display that they payed for through taxes.
 
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Ok then why should the Confederate battle flag be removed from State flag poles if it has no effect on anything?

Because the only thing that belongs on the state flag pole is the Flag of the United States and The Flag of the State. No more no less.

The Confederate Battle Flag does not belong on the State Flag Pole because the Civil War is over, no more battle is occurring, and the CSA (a long defunct nation) does not require official representation on the state flag pole.


Has nothing to do with improving race relations.... as it will not do that in any way.
 
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Nobody knows how the removal of the flag will pan out or effect race relations. But I think it's removal off government property might help show more respect for the country and a good start to putting the tainted past behind.
Removing the flag from public grounds won't have the slightest effect whatsoever regarding race relations. Especially if individuals are still allowed to display it. In fact, it could have the unintended consequence of emboldening individuals.

It will remove the implied endorsement and shut people up... at least for that aspect.
 
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Removing the flag from public grounds won't have the slightest effect whatsoever regarding race relations. Especially if individuals are still allowed to display it. In fact, it could have the unintended consequence of emboldening individuals.

It will remove the implied endorsement and shut people up... at least for that aspect.
If individuals are allowed to display it?

You aren't... suggesting that we limit 1st amendment rights... are you?
 
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If individuals are allowed to display it?

You aren't... suggesting that we limit 1st amendment rights... are you?
Don't get your panties in a wad. I am suggesting no such thing. In fact, I would strenuously oppose any such restriction. Maybe I could have phrased it better, but it's just semantics.
 
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The new history:

The Civil War. 1861 - 1865.

Because the yankees thought that some people might not agree with the decisions of the new president, they decided to stroll out to fields throughout the country and fall over dead. No actual fighting occurred as no enemy existed, this was merely a needed sacrifice by the yankees to better the lives of all Americans.

(or something like that...)
 
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The new history:

The Civil War. 1861 - 1865.

Because the yankees thought that some people might not agree with the decisions of the new president, they decided to stroll out to fields throughout the country and fall over dead. No actual fighting occurred as no enemy existed, this was merely a needed sacrifice by the yankees to better the lives of all Americans.

(or something like that...)

That is pretty much what Apple is saying by removing any imagery of the Confederacy from Civil War themed games in Apps in their store.
 
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That is pretty much what Apple is saying by removing any imagery of the Confederacy from Civil War themed games in Apps in their store.

I have to say it. That is just so stupid. I am an avid wargamer in miniatures and PC. The removal of historical markings or even flags in games or even reenactments so to speak is just a huge and ignorant over reaction.
 
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And what is it about 200 year old slavery that ramps your blood so bad?

1- it was a betrayal of the very principles stated in the Declaration of Independence
2- it was wrong for one person to own another as property
3- the nation has never recovered from the lasting effects of slavery on a race of people
 
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this is an error of mine, because i was not talking about the southern states as you were, but was talking about our nations's beginning and its foundation.



The USA was founded by some old White men who fought for their rights and freedom, but not for the rights and freedom of the Black slaves and women under their control.

We're still fighting for some people's rights and freedom in the USA.

Some day, maybe we'll all be free. But I don't see that happening tomorrow. Too many people are opposed to it.
 
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And again I ask..

How. What exactly is the removal of a symbol flag.... one of which I thought that they had removed years ago..... what is that going to do for race relations.

How is this going to improve them.... specifically.

Because the people who feel oppressed will have one less thing to point to when they talk about systemic oppression.
 
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We've overtly oppressed the VIetnamese, the Iraqi's, the Afghani's, Libyans.... the flag hasn't changed since 1958.

Where can I buy one?
 
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It would seem for some people that you cannot acknowledge known historical facts about the Confederacy, slavery, racists, anti Americans, and their direct involvement with the rebel/Confederate battle flag without being called a Leftist or politically correct or whatever lame excuse for flying a flag that is the direct representation of a army formed to overthrow the USA. Doesnt it strike anyone as being unpatriotic?

I stand for the right of every American individual to fly whatever silly flag that they want. I also assert that public buildings should not fly a flag that represents the Confederacy unless its a museum of some sort. This is the USA not the CSA.

I'm no historian, but I don't think they were attempting to "overthrow" the USA. I believe they were attempting to form their own country. One that would not have a central government with too much authority over the member States. I'm sure that one of the primary reasons for even trying this was in fact their belief that slavery was necessary for their continued financial existence. We all agree that slavery was a horrible thing and looking back (with our 20/20 hindsight) we all understand how wrong it was.
 
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**** you Apple! You piece of **** assholes! Removing the flag for a historical game! Are you kidding? I find the apple logo offensive for trying to ignore history. Remove it from your products!
 
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The USA was founded by some old White men who fought for their rights and freedom, but not for the rights and freedom of the Black slaves and women under their control.

We're still fighting for some people's rights and freedom in the USA.

Some day, maybe we'll all be free. But I don't see that happening tomorrow. Too many people are opposed to it.
Who isn't free?
 
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Because the people who feel oppressed will have one less thing to point to when they talk about systemic oppression.

And yet.... It was never pointed to in any conversation I've ever heard of in the first place.....

Your point would be good... If I had ever heard it used anytime in the last year.
 
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Because the people who feel oppressed will have one less thing to point to when they talk about systemic oppression.

Yeah, because people whining means we have change how we do things. I find that many times when someone is acting like they are victimized the problem has more to do with self confidence than anything else.
 
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If you're not already well aware of what I'm talking about then you're part of the problem. :roll:




"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
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