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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    The Confederate flag should not be banned - First Amendment, and all that - but flying that flag should be seen in the same light as flying the flag of Nazi Germany...for the very reasons I point out in reply #216 in this thread.
    Ok, and what about the CSA influenced flags of about seven states (three directly influenced)? Then there is the Maryland state song.... .

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    'Scuse you, but whatever Lincoln said, it was NOT legal to OWN slaves in the Union, it was NOT legal to rape or kill blacks in the Union just because the white owner wanted to. In the Union, if a black was raped by a white, it was RAPE, and not just "use of property" as it was in the South. In the Union, if a black man was killed, it was MURDER, and not just "disposal of property" as it was in the South.
    Actually, slavery was legal in the union states of KY, MI, MD, DL, WV. It was also legal in Washington DC and amongst pro union (but not pro CSA) indian factions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    In the Union, if a black man was killed, it was MURDER
    No white man was going to kill a black man in Ohio, Illinois or Indiana as all three union states banned slavery and free blacks.

    No doubt that the New Yorks whites who "celebrated" the Emancipation Proclamation by launching an anti black pogrom were systematically tried for murder... . http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/317749.html
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    Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Ok, and what about the CSA influenced flags of about seven states (three directly influenced)? Then there is the Maryland state song.... .
    Destroy them, bury them, rejoice at their removal and destruction.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    what

    in

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    hell???
    Just because Lincoln wanted to maintain the union does not mean he is against state rights.... just because he advocated against slavery as a moral wrong does Not mean he is against state rights... Lincoln actually advocated for a amendment to the constitution for slavery to be legal and up to the states....Corwin Amendment

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yes, that is one difference. While the Nazi symbol does have an older meaning in Buddhist and Hindu cultures and thus does not only represent an evil cause, the Confederate Flag only represents an evil cause. An attempt to preserve the evil institution of slavery is all the Confederate Flag represents.
    Not even close. The flag was derived from the Scottish flag. Are they now guilty by association?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Let's see what the creator of the CSA flag had to say about it:

    "As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the Whiteman over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematic of our cause...Such a flag would take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations and be hailed by the civilized world as the 'Whiteman's Flag.'"

    That Battle flag was incorporated into the confederacy's second official flag :

    "On May 1, 1863, the Confederate Congress adopted a second official flag that consisted of a battle flag in the upper left-hand corner on a field of white. Designed by William T. Thompson, editor of the Savannah Morning News, the flag was designated "Whiteman's Flag."

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    You don't even need that. Just read the Confederate Constitutions or their Declarations of Independence.



    What the South was fighting for was the perpetuation and expansion of human bondage and White Supremacy. That's what the CSA was Founded on.

    Just stop it.

    Stop it now.
    Great username. But you need to look in to some history.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Ignoring racism won't make it go away. We need to shine a bright light on it every time that it rears its ugly head.
    I believe you have a good heart - you just don't realize the racism this kind of thing stirs up. If you care to research, you will find many blacks who identify with the Confederate flag because their ancestors fought. Now, you've got this thing going where you're going to whip up a feeding frenzy of black people who never really gave the flag a second thought - or - the liked it. You've got them convinced they're supposed to hate a symbol, and along with hating the symbol, you're going to create hatred of the people who still identify with it. Not the racists - they're a drop in the bucket. You're going to drive a wedge between people of color and people who loved the old flag because it represented survival and rebuilding.

    What good is that? It's a giant step backwards in race relations.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Just because Lincoln wanted to maintain the union does not mean he is against state rights.... just because he advocated against slavery as a moral wrong does Not mean he is against state rights...
    dood.

    You called Southern Dems liberals/Federalists -- then you said the republicans were the part of States rights. Then "the foundations of the Republican party never changed, nor the democratic party." So, so wrong.

    Lincoln actually advocated for a amendment to the constitution for slavery to be legal and up to the states....Corwin Amendment
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Great username. But you need to look in to some history.
    I do.

    It's what I do for a living.

    For decades.

    Just ad homing me doesn't make much of a case.

    BTW: The reason for my user name is because I work with original documents, letters from the Revolution Era to Civil War - some that are now in museums and Institutions. Some have been written about in books.

    Thousands of original Civil war soldiers letters have passed through my hands, as well as original items signed by near every CW General and near every Founder and President...

    Letters and docs actually signed by Jefferson Davis and Abraham Lincoln . Yes. I've touched the exact same paper they touched.

    It's pretty humbling.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Only?

    I guess that's where we disagree... I can show you so many different things on what the common confederate soldier was concerned about, why the war happened, etc... it's become a cultural symbol, slavery used to be a cultural issue, now it's not in southern culture... that has changed, and that was never the only cultural issue and it wasn't debatably the most important cultural issue to the common southern soldier in the civil war.
    Similarly, the typical Nazi soldier was not fighting specifically because he personally wanted to exterminate all the Jews and other minorities. Nevertheless, their cause was an evil one. The typical confederate soldier was not a slave owner, but their cause was an evil one just the same.

    I am sure a burning cross has different meanings to some people, but we all know what a burning cross really means, and the same is true for the confederate battle flag.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    I believe you have a good heart -
    you just don't realize the racism this kind of thing stirs up
    . If you care to research, you will find many blacks who identify with the Confederate flag because their ancestors fought. Now, you've got this thing going where you're going to whip up a feeding frenzy of black people who never really gave the flag a second thought - or - the liked it. You've got them convinced they're supposed to hate a symbol, and along with hating the symbol, you're going to create hatred of the people who still identify with it. Not the racists - they're a drop in the bucket. You're going to drive a wedge between people of color and people who loved the old flag because it represented survival and rebuilding.

    What good is that? It's a giant step backwards in race relations.


    The Confederate flag is a racist symbol and no state should require it to be displayed.

    It will be gone from every state display in the near future.

    Wait and see.

    Of course that won't stop you or anyone else from having it tattooed on your forehead.


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