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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Actually, the federal government did the opposite. Had they been living up to the promise of the Constitution the individual states would have been free to decide the issue for themselves or there would have been a constitutional amendment.
    I suppose one can hold to such an argument if they choose to ignore the beliefs held by Jefferson, the intentions that when Article 1 Section 9 expired and the Acts to ban the importation of slaves. Early on the intent was to end slavery, a holdover from colonial times. It was the Southern conservatives that kept blocking moves to abolish because they did not change their farming economics or moral values as the North did.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yes, that is one difference. While the Nazi symbol does have an older meaning in Buddhist and Hindu cultures and thus does not only represent an evil cause, the Confederate Flag only represents an evil cause. An attempt to preserve the evil institution of slavery is all the Confederate Flag represents.
    Only?

    I guess that's where we disagree... I can show you so many different things on what the common confederate soldier was concerned about, why the war happened, etc... it's become a cultural symbol, slavery used to be a cultural issue, now it's not in southern culture... that has changed, and that was never the only cultural issue and it wasn't debatably the most important cultural issue to the common southern soldier in the civil war.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Absolutely wrong. And the North and so-called free states had their own forms of slavery. At heart in the Civil War was who held the power to determine the will of the people, the individual states and the people or the federal government.
    That is revisionist nonsense. The South seceded for the states right to preserve the institution of slavery. Had it not been for slavery, the South would not have seceded.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I suppose one can hold to such an argument if they choose to ignore the beliefs held by Jefferson, the intentions that when Article 1 Section 9 expired and the Acts to ban the importation of slaves. Early on the intent was to end slavery, a holdover from colonial times. It was the Southern conservatives that kept blocking moves to abolish because they did not change their farming economics or moral values as the North did.
    And along came that damn Cotton Gin, messin' everything up.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    It is a symbol of racism and segregation. I would not oppose an individual having one or flying it. I do not support our federal or state governments flying that flag.
    To you maybe. To the many rednecks who have carried it into battle with them since the civil war, it may mean something different. To a person who opposes Washington dictating to the people, maybe there is a third thing. The list goes on. I would only support banning the confederate battle flag if it was part of the same law that made it a felony with a mandatory minimum prison sentence to burn, destroy, or otherwise mutilate the current US flag. If we go in, we need to go all the way in.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Or you could ask the 110,000 union fatalities.
    The Civil War body count was pretty awful on both sides.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Absolutely wrong. And the North and so-called free states had their own forms of slavery. At heart in the Civil War was who held the power to determine the will of the people, the individual states and the people or the federal government.
    Sure, the will of ....White people.

    That makes a big difference in the framing of the argument.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by logansrun View Post
    To you maybe. To the many rednecks who have carried it into battle with them since the civil war, it may mean something different. To a person who opposes Washington dictating to the people, maybe there is a third thing. The list goes on. I would only support banning the confederate battle flag if it was part of the same law that made it a felony with a mandatory minimum prison sentence to burn, destroy, or otherwise mutilate the current US flag. If we go in, we need to go all the way in.
    Who said "ban it"?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    And along came that damn Cotton Gin, messin' everything up.
    Not really, it reduced labor costs, the South could have changed their model further, but greed outweighed morality.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Not really, it reduced labor costs, the South could have changed their model further, but greed outweighed morality.
    What are you talking about?

    The Cotton Gin directly lead to the deep entrenchment and demand for slavery and arguably directly led to the Civil War.

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