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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So would it be acceptable for German government buildings to fly the Nazi flag because some Germans believed it represented a time of great economic growth and development for Germany?
    The Nazi symbol was stolen. It used to be a symbol representing good luck in many cultures.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?
    "Removed" and "abolished" are two very different things.

    The Confederate Flag should not be displayed by any state-sponsored entity or monuments. Private individuals can do whatever they want. Thus it should not be "abolished," in the sense that the state should not censor it.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    The Nazi symbol was stolen. It used to be a symbol representing good luck in many cultures.
    Yes, that is one difference. While the Nazi symbol does have an older meaning in Buddhist and Hindu cultures and thus does not only represent an evil cause, the Confederate Flag only represents an evil cause. An attempt to preserve the evil institution of slavery is all the Confederate Flag represents.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    So would it be acceptable for German government buildings to fly the Nazi flag because some Germans believed it represented a time of great economic growth and development for Germany?
    I'm okay with them doing that if they want. But Germany isn't near that free of a country. What's your problem with it?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Interesting that so many think the flag represents slavery. It doesn't. It never has. It's a battle flag. The reason there is a palmetto tree to represent SC is because they were used to build their fort and the soft wood did a good job of repelling cannon balls. But then what do you expect from a generation that will not bother to learn real history. Let's just revise it and shorten it up to a twitter post so we can get on with 45 step math problems. A couple of things to consider:

    1) The flag does not in any way represent slavery.
    Let's see what the creator of the CSA flag had to say about it:

    "As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the Whiteman over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematic of our cause...Such a flag would take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations and be hailed by the civilized world as the 'Whiteman's Flag.'"

    That Battle flag was incorporated into the confederacy's second official flag :

    "On May 1, 1863, the Confederate Congress adopted a second official flag that consisted of a battle flag in the upper left-hand corner on a field of white. Designed by William T. Thompson, editor of the Savannah Morning News, the flag was designated "Whiteman's Flag."

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    You don't even need that. Just read the Confederate Constitutions or their Declarations of Independence.

    2) The Civil War was NOT fought over slavery.
    What the South was fighting for was the perpetuation and expansion of human bondage and White Supremacy. That's what the CSA was Founded on.

    Just stop it.

    Stop it now.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I guess it just depends on how you interpret the phrase "get their asses handed to them".
    Homeland laid to rubble pretty much covers it.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    I guess it just depends on how you interpret the phrase "get their asses handed to them".
    Ask General Sherman. I've been to Atlanta. It probably looked better after he got done with it.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yes, that is one difference. While the Nazi symbol does have an older meaning in Buddhist and Hindu cultures and thus does not only represent an evil cause, the Confederate Flag only represents an evil cause. An attempt to preserve the evil institution of slavery is all the Confederate Flag represents.
    Absolutely wrong. And the North and so-called free states had their own forms of slavery. At heart in the Civil War was who held the power to determine the will of the people, the individual states and the people or the federal government.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "NORTH SUPPRESSION"!
    If you want to have an honest discussion, this was a real thing that was in peoples minds at the time. The North had the majority of power and industrialization and it was felt in the pockets of the southern commoner. In reality the rich southern people also played their fair hand, but the condition is much of the same as power imbalances of today... the north had a much larger middle class, more immigrants, more industrialization, that made the majority non-farm related power to be in the north... and just like the large business of today, the poorer people suffered. A small poor southern farmer knew nothing of the business practices of the north. Many thought separating the two economies would give the north less influence on southern businesses. Numerous Republicans, including Lincoln, were worried about the loss of tariff revenue from the Deep South states. The Republicans favored a high federal tariff and protectionism, as did many influential Northern businessmen.

    These fears were then realized after war to a large extent.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Ask General Sherman. I've been to Atlanta. It probably looked better after he got done with it.
    Or you could ask the 110,000 union fatalities.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 06-23-15 at 12:38 PM.

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