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Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]

Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 55 30.2%
  • No

    Votes: 127 69.8%

  • Total voters
    182
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That's a rather absurd comment. You can't tell me that you would be so profoundly insensitive as to walk around in just about any state in the US with a swastika Tshirt on or waiving a flag with a swastika from your big ass truck. No, you wouldn't. Neither would you walk down any American street and starting flipping people your middle finger.

I see that you couldn't even be bothered to learn a little form my link... so, lets see if you can learn or not.

In South Asia, the swastika is omnipresent as a symbol of wealth and good fortune. In India and Nepal, electoral ballot papers are stamped with a round swastika-like pattern (to ensure that the accidental ink imprint on the other side of a folded ballot paper can be correctly identified as such). Many businesses and other organisations, such as the Ahmedabad Stock Exchange and the Nepal Chamber of Commerce, use the swastika in their logos. The red swastika was suggested as an emblem of International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement in India and Sri Lanka, but the idea was not implemented. Swastikas are fairly ubiquitous in Indian and Nepalese cities, located on buses, buildings, auto-rickshaws, and clothing. The swastika continues to be prominently used in Hindu religious ceremonies and temples, and is recognised as a Hindu religious symbol, sometimes used to evoke the Shakti in tantric rituals

and that is just South Asia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Contemporary_use_in_Asia
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Just because that flag has been part of a particular state's flag for generations doesn't automatically make it right or proper. Y'all gotta be careful of trying to use that "that's the way it's always been" line for justification.

I am not using that "justification" as I have made no claims about the CF being used or abandoned either way...

That said, answer clearly whether Southern State Flags from the seceeding nations should have their flags removed from government buildings as well, or not. They are every bit as racist as the CF is.
 
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Incredible. Simply freaking incredible. He seems to think that it was of no importance whatsoever that Mississippi didn't finalize ratification of the 13th Amendment until 2013...or, apparently, that they ratified it at all.

And yet conservatives and Republicans wonder why they lost the African-American vote....

It does seem a bit on the lax side, but have you known government to ever be very effective?

I'm not sure the GOP "lost" the African American vote - anymore than I think the Democrat Party "earned" it.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

From your link:



You do know what "circumstantial" means, don't you?

It means there's really no proof.
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Dood. Cut the crap. How old are you?

It's like you're pretending the wild-ass **** that was going down all over the South to keep Apartheid in place and deny equal rights to blacks wasn't happening at that time --

Or the dogs weren't sicked on Civil Rights marchers

Or the Freedom Riders we're getting their heads bashed in

Or that Emmitt Till was just an anomoly

Or that Selma didn't happen

Or that Segregation now! Segregation tomorrow! Segregation forever! wasn't the rallying cry for millions of Southerns

Or that institutionalized White Supremacy didn't rule the day, and the South was bound and determined to keep it that way.

Only someone who ignores alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll that (plus much more) could say the placement then was just a benign toss to the Confederate slave-holding Centennial.

Here's something else: The centennial ended in 1961. It's still flying.
 
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So you are speaking for the entire south, but telling me not to speak for others, simply because you have a handful of inlaws who live here? :lol:

That's rich.

A handful! LOL If you only knew.

I'm only speaking what I hear - as you are. But, your conclusions are a lot different from the conclusions of other liberals/progressives here who feel most of the South is just a racist cesspool. Here you are defending them, and I thank you for that.
 
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Dood. Cut the crap. How old are you?

It's like you're pretending the wild-ass **** that was going down all over the South to keep Apartheid in place and deny equal rights to blacks wasn't happening at that time --

Or the dogs weren't sicked on Civil Rights marchers

Or the Freedom Riders we're getting their heads bashed in

Or that Emmitt Till was just an anomoly

Or that Selma didn't happen

Or that Segregation now! Segregation tomorrow! Segregation forever! wasn't the rallying cry for millions of Southerns

Or that institutionalized White Supremacy didn't rule the day, and the South was bound and determined to keep it that way.

Only someone who ignores alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll that (plus much more) could say the placement then was just a benign toss to the Confederate slave-holding Centennial.

Here's something else: The centennial ended in 1961. It's still flying.

Everything you cited here has to do with the Civil Rights era. You're ready to take away a cultural symbol because some people used it in a racist manner during that era? I continuously point out to you that it means much more - to many more people. That doesn't seem to matter to you. You call those people confused, although I think you're the confused one because that flag had a meaning - an honorable meaning long before a few decided to use it negatively.

It seems as though you're happy to punish a lot of good people just to stick it to a relatively few bad apples.

Oh - and - I'm very likely old enough to be your parent.
 
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Everything you cited here has to do with the Civil Rights era. You're ready to take away a cultural symbol because some people used it in a racist manner during that era? ...

Oh - and - I'm very likely old enough to be your parent.

lol. Unless you're an octogenarian, I doubt it.

There was nothing honorable about traitorous slavers who took up arms against the country. Honor the dead in graveyards and memorials and wave it on your property all you like.

The state has no business giving legitimacy to a flag with so many dark, racist, human-trafficking odors coming off of it.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

If you think that states' rights is some sort of code, you don't.

Me and just about everybody else. It's a code for racism, Jim Crow, and just about every other atrocity heaped on African-Americans since the end of the Civil War.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

You should stop talking for the South because you are wrong. I am from the South, born and raised, and I live here now. I can promise you that many, white and black, do not feel this way.



Now go ask 39 million people, who live, and work, raise families, and die in the South, how they feel about having to do so under that flag. Ask them what the flag means to them.

Go ask them. I'll wait.

While you are bull****tin...then go ask the people in Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Gary and every major city in the country how much better THEIR lives are without that flag.

This smokescreen 'cause' is ****ing pathetic. You ought to be embarrassed.
 
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While you are bull****tin...then go ask the people in Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Gary and every major city in the country how much better THEIR lives are without that flag.

This smokescreen 'cause' is ****ing pathetic. You ought to be embarrassed.

No one doubts that racism is nationwide, as a matter of fact it's been a big topic lately. However, nothing that occurred in the non-Southern states compares to the inhumanity the South continued to delight in... until when? Until once again the government had to step in. If it wasn't about the right to treat blacks inhumanely, then why is that the thing that lasted the longest after the war ended? Why did the feds have to step in again to try to assure some sense of equality and justice?

The history of post-Civil War South doesn't reflect these claims. Yes, the North and liberals treated blacks as sub-human and somewhat still do, the South treated them as inhuman, and seems to still wish it could continue.
 
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No one doubts that racism is nationwide, as a matter of fact it's been a big topic lately. However, nothing that occurred in the non-Southern states compares to the inhumanity the South continued to delight in... until when? Until once again the government had to step in. If it wasn't about the right to treat blacks inhumanely, then why is that the thing that lasted the longest after the war ended? Why did the feds have to step in again to try to assure some sense of equality and justice?

The history of post-Civil War South doesn't reflect these claims. Yes, the North and liberals treated blacks as sub-human and somewhat still do, the South treated them as inhuman, and seems to still wish it could continue.
Again...that all blather. You might want to read of the history of slavery in New York and other Northern states. New York clung to slavery as doggedly as the Southern states did while it was economically viable. And if you want to talk sheer brutality toward 'slaves' check on the native Indian tribes.

This whole thing is promotion of a 'cause'. It's an excuse to create outrage and profit from it. You should be embarrassed.
 
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It does seem a bit on the lax side, but have you known government to ever be very effective?

I'm not sure the GOP "lost" the African American vote - anymore than I think the Democrat Party "earned" it.

Exactly. That's why Democrats get so excited about voter ID laws, it keeps voters from voting more than once for the same candidate.
 
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Any history textbook or educational website about the civil war would do.

Would that be a site telling the truth or merely one that tells the story like its author thinks it should be told?
 
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Again...that all blather. You might want to read of the history of slavery in New York and other Northern states. New York clung to slavery as doggedly as the Southern states did while it was economically viable. And if you want to talk sheer brutality toward 'slaves' check on the native Indian tribes.

This whole thing is promotion of a 'cause'. It's an excuse to create outrage and profit from it. You should be embarrassed.

NY clung to slavery like the south did? Fact check that please. You are grossly misinformed. Within 10 years of the United states gaining thier independence NY was taking steps toward abolition. They had schools for blacks. They had some free blacks. A far cry from freedom, perfect or even good, but nowhere even close to what was happening in the south.
 
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Would that be a site telling the truth or merely one that tells the story like its author thinks it should be told?

Read educational information about the civil war. Research it. Learn. Not from groups seeking to discount what happened,but learn what took place. Then come start a thread about what you learned. We can talk then. But your previous claims are not supported by any credible source.
 
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lol. Unless you're an octogenarian, I doubt it.

There was nothing honorable about traitorous slavers who took up arms against the country. Honor the dead in graveyards and memorials and wave it on your property all you like.

Well, perhaps we're of similar age then. LOL

I see you still do not understand that your "traitorous slavers" weren't the average joe's that fought that war.
The state has no business giving legitimacy to a flag with so many dark, racist, human-trafficking odors coming off of it.



A total of seven states have incorporated the confederate flag, one version or another, into their actual state flag. I suppose those will be targeted next.

You cannot erase history by banning a symbol.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Well, perhaps we're of similar age then. LOL

I see you still do not understand that your "traitorous slavers" weren't the average joe's that fought that war.




A total of seven states have incorporated the confederate flag, one version or another, into their actual state flag. I suppose those will be targeted next.

You cannot erase history by banning a symbol.

I don't think anyone wants to erase history. It happened. We should acknowledge that, and learn from it. But there is a big gap between erasing history and glorifying the mistakes our country made. Slavery happened, the civil war happened, flying a flag representing that era like a symbol of pride is unacceptable.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

I don't think anyone wants to erase history. It happened. We should acknowledge that, and learn from it. But there is a big gap between erasing history and glorifying the mistakes our country made. Slavery happened, the civil war happened, flying a flag representing that era like a symbol of pride is unacceptable.

I agree. Put it in a museum. Fly it over Confederate cemeteries. But don't shove it in the face of people who find what it stands for, grossly offensive.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

It does seem a bit on the lax side, but have you known government to ever be very effective?

I'm not sure the GOP "lost" the African American vote - anymore than I think the Democrat Party "earned" it.

The GOP rejected the African American vote with Nixon' "Southern Strategy" wherein they specifically targeted the "negrophobes" in the South who were outraged at the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

And have I ever known government to be very effective? That's very easy to answer. What democracies have the highest standards of living for their populations in terms of education, income, safety, and life expectancy? The first-world democracies, of course. And what do ALL first-world democracies have in common? BIG government, HIGH effective taxes, and STRONG regulation.

So...yeah, in the case of ALL the first-world nations of the free world, government IS very effective indeed, as is evinced by the well-being and standards of living of their people.

On the other side of the coin, is there ANY first-world nation that has the conservative trifecta of 'small' government, low effective taxes, and weak regulation? No. Bear in mind that there ARE many such nations...and they're ALL third-world nations.

So...are you going to stick with your dogma, with the crap spoon-fed you by the right-wing echo chamber? Or are you going to base your decision on the REAL-WORLD RESULTS that we see in the world all around us?
 
Re: Confederate Flag

I am not using that "justification" as I have made no claims about the CF being used or abandoned either way...

That said, answer clearly whether Southern State Flags from the seceeding nations should have their flags removed from government buildings as well, or not. They are every bit as racist as the CF is.

Hunh? "seceeding nations"? I assume you mean "seceding states"...and there should be nothing on their flags that references the Confederacy.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

NY clung to slavery like the south did? Fact check that please. You are grossly misinformed. Within 10 years of the United states gaining thier independence NY was taking steps toward abolition. They had schools for blacks. They had some free blacks. A far cry from freedom, perfect or even good, but nowhere even close to what was happening in the south.

"Slavery was a part of every American colony until outlawed in the first Vermont constitution of 1777. Pennsylvania gradually abolished slavery, beginning three years later. Court decisions freed all Massachusetts slaves by 1783. In New York, slavery remained economically important. Emancipation came grudgingly, and not completely until 1827."

New-York Historical Society | New York Divided: Slavery and the Civil War

New York was the slave capitol of the country for 200 years. New York had the largest slave market in the unformed and newly formed country. New York was no different from anywhere else in the country. it evolved...and the southern states also would have evolved in a much more healthy manner.

Now...for all the bull**** about the evil south and living under (gasp) a confederate flag, tell me how well black communities are faring in Northern states? Tell me how they are faring across the country, regardless of the presence of a Confederate flag.
 
Re: Confederate Flag

Hunh? "seceeding nations"? I assume you mean "seceding states"...and there should be nothing on their flags that references the Confederacy.

I made a typo... that really shouldn't be a "Hunh" moment. ;)

And the flags themselve are references to the Confederacy.
 
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I made a typo... that really shouldn't be a "Hunh" moment. ;)

And the flags themselve are references to the Confederacy.

Any that are should be changed. Those who governed and supported the Confederacy committed treason...and it is wrong to keep symbols of treason on our government sites.
 
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