View Poll Results: Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    If the voters of a state want to fly a flag associated with rebellion, treason, and murder of USA citizens, then they (nor their state) should receive any federal funding of any kind.
    Texas flies that flag on state property (just not near the state house and in conjunction with other flags). No doubt the masses of northreners who keep moving here will be so offended they are going back to say, Gary Indiana- right?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    If you mean "banned and abolished" as in not being flown on official state or public grounds, I say yes. However an individual should have the right to fly the flag in/at their private residence or at a protest, etc.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    If the voters of a state want to fly a flag associated with rebellion, treason, and murder of USA citizens, then they (nor their state) should receive any federal funding of any kind.
    Should... but they have received federal funding and continue to regardless of your "should". That is what keeps the union of states together. What will break it irrevocably would be each time the WH doesn't like something done at the State level, they with hold funding. That would be a huge step back to medieval time where the Lord of the land would starve out his pesants and or with hold knights to defend his them each time they did something he didn't like. That's about as anti-Progressive of a view as I've ever seen.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    The American flag represents freedom. It may have been a symbol of America during an unfortunate period in our history but that is not what it represents today. The confederate flag has always representes slavery. That has never changed.
    It was the battle flag of the soldiers... had nothing to do with slavery

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i don't live in SC, so i didn't vote in the poll. what they want to do is up to them.

    as for the flag itself, i'll say this : some might say it's remembering their heritage; others would argue that it's a symbol of fighting for states' rights against an oppressive federal government. i'm not arguing that it isn't both of these things to some degree. however, the symbol has been coopted and basically ruined by racist assholes. when i see a Confederate flag on a truck or on the front porch of a house, i know with 95+ percent certainty exactly what it means and why it's there. so does any black American who sees it. these aren't history buffs; they are racists, and the message is that they don't like racial minorities. there's very little chance that this particular symbol will be looked at by most people as anything other than an expression of racism. that's how i see the situation. as for states that want to argue that it means something else, if they want to leave it up, i'm not going to climb the statehouse and pull it down.
    I would give it a 50%.... I had college roomates in a house, 6 dudes... one black, all from the same area and they had the rebel flag everywhere...

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    But should it be banned from government buildings?
    Well yes, I mean should we also allow other old enemies flags on our public buildings?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The American Flag represents the United States. The United States is not a perfect country and has in its history done a lot of wrong just like all countries. However, the American doesn't just represent our actions against Native Americans, or denying women the right to vote in the past and so on. It also represents all the good things this country has done.

    In contrast, the Confederate Flag represents one thing: A group of Southern states that left the union in an attempt to preserve the institution of slavery. It is a flag the represents slavery, the most evil institution ever conceived of by man. There is no pride or honor in that.
    Hmmm I see a logic flaw in this...

    You assume the south cannot do the same thing...as the United States

    The South is it's own changing and moving thing and many hold the battle flag as a symbol of it, because that was a time the south was unified in it's oppression against the north. And there is good reason why it's the battle flag and not the "Confederate flag", it was the flag of the common soldiers fighting against the northern armies. The war did not become so black and white,"We WANT SLAVES!!!!" and "WE DONTTTT!!!!"... There was much stigma between the north and the south for awhile.... like all Civil wars in all countries, it was one between two ethnic groups inside the country for supremacy... and the North won.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    I assume everyone that is SO offended by this flag is also SO offended by every Stars and Stripes before the Emancipation Proclamation.

    I don't like the Confederate Flag, but I have zero problem with it flying as I believe STRONGLY in free speech and freedom of expression...NO MATTER WHAT.

    Besides, it's just a flag.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    It was the battle flag of the soldiers... had nothing to do with slavery
    It was flown by those defending the Confederacy, a political system whose economy was based on slave labor. It was adopted by Dixiecrats and the KKK as a symbol to bring together opponents of equality for Blacks.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I assume everyone that is SO offended by this flag is also SO offended by every Stars and Stripes before the Emancipation Proclamation.

    I don't like the Confederate Flag, but I have zero problem with it flying as I believe STRONGLY in free speech and freedom of expression...NO MATTER WHAT.

    Besides, it's just a flag.
    The US has, after the shedding of much blood, to begin to live up to the promise of the Constitution, Confederate ideology was and always will be an ideology of slave labor. It was a reaction, finally, to the Republican Lincoln's election.

    Free speech, like other rights, is not absolute....but then this is not a free speech debate.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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