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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You really should learn to be careful about what "they say". I'm in my fifties now.
    I wish I had have been raised racist. It would have saved me a lot of pain. Sadly, my parents were really good Christians. They aren't racist one bit.

    I've always found raised racism fascinating. Reminds me of Stormfront. I didn't know anyone was raised racist until a few years back. Are you sure you wouldn't consider going back?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    The slave trade was a triangle pretty much. Ship the slaves from Africa to the Caribbean, trade them for rum, then bring others up North to sell to the South. Repeat process.
    Did you not read what I wrote? By the time the Civil War started, ALL the developed nations of the world - including all the great nations of Europe - had banned our abolished slavery in their home nations (though not quite in all their colonies yet). It was becoming seen as more and more disgusting and shameful throughout the developed world...and America was changing, too. The South just didn't want to change along with the rest of the world.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Unicron View Post
    I wish I had have been raised racist. It would have saved me a lot of pain. Sadly, my parents were really good Christians. They aren't racist one bit.

    I've always found raised racism fascinating. Reminds me of Stormfront. I didn't know anyone was raised racist until a few years back. Are you sure you wouldn't consider going back?
    No offense, but you sound like you're trolling me. No thanks, I'll refrain from responding to you.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Fort Sumter was - like all military bases then and now - Federal territory.

    Face it, ma'am - you're so deeply steeped in what you were taught likely since birth that it's difficult for you to accept what really happened. I can say this because I really do know how you feel - because it's the same way I felt whenever people told me what the Civil War and the Confederacy were really about, what my family and my schools in the South NEVER taught me.

    You're only repeating what you were taught...and you're having a really hard time accepting that there was a great deal that you were not taught - part of which was that yes, the secession and the war that followed were at their base about slavery.

    So you have a choice - you can either accept that there was so much that you weren't taught, that you honestly didn't realize that the secession and the Civil War was about slavery, and that the South's deeply-entrenched (and still extant) tradition of racism is a shameful thing indeed...or you can choose to cling to what you were told, even in the face of the words of the politicians of the time, words that disprove the beliefs you seem to cherish so deeply.
    I have actually found out some things that I was never taught. For instance I was reading an article in one of my UDC magazines before I gave them away to a friend of mine who either he or his wife is a descendant of General Lee. Anyway they were talking about how Arlington Cemetery came to be, and that when the government stole the land from the Lee family, Grant, surprisingly, was the one who insisted that the land and home be returned, even if he had to quit his high ranking job. Ultimately the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Lee family, but by then the damage was already done. The Lee family was forced to sell the land back to the government and now it is Arlington National Cemetery. There is something I was never taught about Grant. My granddaddy hated the guy, never acknowledged one good thing he did, ever. Sure he was a drunk piece of work for most of the war, but he did manage to do something right. Well 2 things right. He rode a beautiful American Saddlebred horse named Cincinnati. Saddlebreds are the most beautiful horses on earth.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Did you not read what I wrote? By the time the Civil War started, ALL the developed nations of the world - including all the great nations of Europe - had banned our abolished slavery in their home nations (though not quite in all their colonies yet). It was becoming seen as more and more disgusting and shameful throughout the developed world...and America was changing, too. The South just didn't want to change along with the rest of the world.
    I read that. I merely pointed out that the slave trade was not confined to the South. I am well aware that the slave trade had pretty much ended by then.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Why are you laughing? I am not joking. The Confederate leaders were deeply religious men who believed that they were indeed right, in that time and place.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Honestly, he either wanted war or he was an idiot.
    Toss up there. Most northern states didn't want war to begin with. Granddaddy always said that Lincoln's secretary of war Edwin Stanton was the one who was really pushing for the war, that Lincoln was reluctant.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Honestly, he either wanted war or he was an idiot.
    The south wanted war - long before Lincoln ever stepped into office.

    They had been plotting and planning it for years.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    No offense, but you sound like you're trolling me. No thanks, I'll refrain from responding to you.
    I'm not trolling you. Despite myself, I'm fascinated ( with horror) how easily some people's minds are warped to serve anothers agenda. I'm not insulting you with that, it's just really hard for me to understand.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    The south wanted war - long before Lincoln ever stepped into office.

    They had been plotting and planning it for years.
    No we wanted to leave, as per our right. The North was gonna let us, since they didn't want war to begin with. Until they realized that if we did leave they were in big trouble.
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