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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    My family was all racist. I was, too - it took a career in service to my country to unlearn what they had taught me. Speaking of truth, then, do you believe that the vice president of the Confederacy was right when he said these words:

    Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition.

    But you won't reply, or if you do, it won't be seriously or thoughtfully. People like you almost never have the intestinal fortitude to do so.
    For the times, he was right, given the climate of the South in the 1850's. One thing I have learned about history is that it needs to be seen through the eyes of the times. See what people tend to do is apply today's standards to history. No wonder things get taken out of context and people demonized. Take the Presidents for instance. GWB, perfect example. He went into Iraq thinking the intelligence we had was correct (it likely was) but now 12 years later, we ask where was his head? I think Saddam had WMD's there somewhere, but had them hid somewhere so the UN inspectors wouldn't find them.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Um, last I recall, it was the South that first attacked the North.

    Oh, wait, I forgot - to you, everything that doesn't fit in with your fantasy that it really was the War of Northern Aggression must not be true.
    No the North invaded the South. We stood our ground.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    My family was all racist. I was, too - it took a career in service to my country to unlearn what they had taught me.
    Say wut?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    No the North invaded the South. We stood our ground.
    Riiiight. Y'all were just 'standing your ground' when you fired the first shots of the war when you attacked Fort Sumter. Mm-hmm, riiiiight.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Unicron View Post
    Say wut?
    Yeah - that's right.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Riiiight. Y'all were just 'standing your ground' when you fired the first shots of the war when you attacked Fort Sumter. Mm-hmm, riiiiight.
    Fort Sumter was ours! We had already seceded and taken our property with us.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    For the times, he was right, given the climate of the South in the 1850's. One thing I have learned about history is that it needs to be seen through the eyes of the times. See what people tend to do is apply today's standards to history. No wonder things get taken out of context and people demonized. Take the Presidents for instance. GWB, perfect example. He went into Iraq thinking the intelligence we had was correct (it likely was) but now 12 years later, we ask where was his head? I think Saddam had WMD's there somewhere, but had them hid somewhere so the UN inspectors wouldn't find them.
    You really don't get it, do you? By the time the Civil War started, ALL the developed nations of the world - including all the great nations of Europe - had banned our abolished slavery in their home nations (though not quite in all their colonies yet). It was becoming seen as more and more disgusting and shameful throughout the developed world...and America was changing, too. The South just didn't want to change along with the rest of the world.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Fort Sumter was ours! We had already seceded and taken our property with us.
    Fort Sumter was - like all military bases then and now - Federal territory.

    Face it, ma'am - you're so deeply steeped in what you were taught likely since birth that it's difficult for you to accept what really happened. I can say this because I really do know how you feel - because it's the same way I felt whenever people told me what the Civil War and the Confederacy were really about, what my family and my schools in the South NEVER taught me.

    You're only repeating what you were taught...and you're having a really hard time accepting that there was a great deal that you were not taught - part of which was that yes, the secession and the war that followed were at their base about slavery.

    So you have a choice - you can either accept that there was so much that you weren't taught, that you honestly didn't realize that the secession and the Civil War was about slavery, and that the South's deeply-entrenched (and still extant) tradition of racism is a shameful thing indeed...or you can choose to cling to what you were told, even in the face of the words of the politicians of the time, words that disprove the beliefs you seem to cherish so deeply.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah - that's right.
    So you racist? You identified you were racist? And then you decided to take penance by a job of great servitude to your country? ...

    Man they did a number on you.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Fort Sumter was ours! We had already seceded and taken our property with us.
    South Carolina had ceded all rights to Fort Sumter in 1836. All rights. It was Federal Property. Belonging to ALL of the US.

    You don't get to just steal Federal property and call it your own.

    The South commenced hostilities, fired cannons on Union ships, seized Federal buildings, Forts, arsenals, Custom's Houses all across the South, and committed Acts of War --

    *months* before Lincoln ever stepped into office.

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