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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by paperview View Post
    for who, the slave or the free man?
    both!
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Obviously he believed like the majority of Southerners of the time that we did have the right to secede.
    See, folks?

    This is what you're up against when you debate HorseGirl.

    "The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it were intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It is intended for perpetual union, so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government (not a compact) which can only be dissolved by revolution, or by the consent of all the people in convention assembled."

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    See, folks?

    This is what you're up against when you debate HorseGirl.

    "The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom, and forbearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it were intended to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It is intended for perpetual union, so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government (not a compact) which can only be dissolved by revolution, or by the consent of all the people in convention assembled."

    -Robert E. Lee
    Yep I know what I'm up against when I try and educate a revisionist who twists people's quotes to fit their agenda. You get the word REVOLUTION right? You understand what that means? OK then you understand that the War for Southern Independence was the South's revolution don't you?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    both!
    You could understand what it would be like to be amongst the near four million slaves in the south?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    You could understand what it would be like to be amongst the near four million slaves in the south?
    In the context of the times, absolutely.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Yep I know what I'm up against when I try and educate a revisionist who twists people's quotes to fit their agenda. You get the word REVOLUTION right? You understand what that means? OK then you understand that the War for Southern Independence was the South's revolution don't you?
    Secession =/= Revolution.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Secession =/= Revolution.
    Secession = revolution. There, fixed it for ya.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    No there is plenty of reason the Confederate flag should fly in the South. It is our heritage. Sadly some want to do away with our heritage.
    I grew up in the very deepest of the Deep South, in the MS Delta, in a house surrounded by cotton and soybean fields, with my direct family line in the local Southern Baptist church going all the way back to the 1870's. I'll be the first in the line not buried there.

    In other words, I know very, very well what Southern heritage is - I know it better than most. I grew up honoring my Southern heritage, lived it, and loved it...until I came to understand what it lly was, and what that flag (I owned one) really stood for.

    For instance, do you really know why the Confederate flag was flying there at the S.C. capitol? From The Atlantic:

    In 1988, Lee Atwater, the tactician of racial politics in a very different Republican Party, gave me a tour of the State House at Columbia, South Carolina. I was there as a reporter for the Washington Post. Standing in the rotunda under the dome he showed off the monumental statute of John C. Calhoun, godfather of secession, and then pointed out the window to the Confederate flag. It had been flying there since 1962, an emblem of resistance to the civil rights movement.

    “You start out in 1954 by saying, ‘Ni**er, ni**er, ni**er,’” Atwater had explained to the political scientist Alexanders Lamis back in 1981. “By 1968 you can’t say ‘nigger’—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes …”


    It had only been flying there since 1962 - but NOT in the previous 97 years. And why was it raised? As an emblem of resistance to the Civil Rights Movement. Have you read Mississippi's Declaration of Secession? Perhaps you should - there's a reason why it's not shown to students there as a part of high school state history.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    In the context of the times, absolutely.
    Fascinating.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Is truth funny to you for some reason?
    Your attempt to pretty up your little insurrection is duly noted and summarily dismissed. Lemme guess, slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War, did it?
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