View Poll Results: Should the Confederate Flag be abolished?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Sherman disagrees.
    He is outnumbered. In addition, Sherman a long time to grind the CSA down north of Atlanta to the point where they no longer had an effective army in front of him.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    How about murdering innocent Black people in a church?

    Do you think that anyone should be proud of that?

    Fill us in.





    Some people on this planet see racism for what it is.

    Others will ignore it until the end of time.

    But the racist Confederate flags that some states display will come down.

    Wait and see.

    No one can stop time and/or change.

    The clock is ticking.
    I don't think a disturbed individual committing an atrocious mass murder has anything to do with a flag.

    I think this entire discussion is retaliatory. But you know what.... if you're filled with anger and need to retaliate against something, better a flag than something more valuable

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    I don't think a disturbed individual committing an atrocious mass murder has anything to do with a flag.

    I think this entire discussion is retaliatory. But you know what.... if you're filled with anger and need to retaliate against something, better a flag than something more valuable
    It's interesting how your argument is "it's just a piece of cloth" but I bet you don't feel that way when people want to abolish the Pledge of Allegiance or burn the American flag.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    It's interesting how your argument is "it's just a piece of cloth" but I bet you don't feel that way when people want to abolish the Pledge of Allegiance or burn the American flag.
    My point was that the symbolism is something we ascribe to it. You might think of the confederate flag as a symbol of racism, I think of it as a symbol of the south without that stigma. There's nothing inherent about the flag either way, just your opinion and mine (and by the poll results, it's fairly evenly divided)

    I will say.... it's a bit disingenuous that most of the "haters" of the confederate flag seem to be northerners who don't have any skin in the game. Would be a more meaningful debate for southerners to have among themselves, in my opinion

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    My point was that the symbolism is something we ascribe to it. You might think of the confederate flag as a symbol of racism, I think of it as a symbol of the south without that stigma. There's nothing inherent about the flag either way, just your opinion and mine (and by the poll results, it's fairly evenly divided)

    I will say.... it's a bit disingenuous that most of the "haters" of the confederate flag seem to be northerners who don't have any skin in the game. Would be a more meaningful debate for southerners to have among themselves, in my opinion
    You prefer to whitewash the South's well-earned stigma. The flag was created due to the stigma you wish to ignore.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's odd of you to call it patriotism. It's southern pride, just like I said. Nothing wrong with being proud of where you come from.
    No. I am not calling it patriotism. I am saying it is an odd sense of patriotism when someone waives a flag representing a failed rebellion. To clarify: one's patriotism to the United States is undermined by them cheering the failed rebellion against it.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    He is outnumbered. In addition, Sherman a long time to grind the CSA down north of Atlanta to the point where they no longer had an effective army in front of him.
    Whether it took a year or 5 to "grind down" the resistance matters not. In the end, the South got whooped...pretty bad. Or are you of mind to argue that the Nazis and Imperial Japanese didn't really get their asses handed to them since it took a while to grind them down?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    You forgot treason.

    It does represent racism and slavery. That can't be white washed.
    First and foremost it represents treason. Slavery and racism are right behind it. So, yeah--IMO, people who waive it are a special kind of stupid.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    First and foremost it represents treason. Slavery and racism are right behind it. So, yeah--IMO, people who waive it are a special kind of stupid.
    And people are still free to be all sorts of special kind of stupid in this country.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    And people are still free to be all sorts of special kind of stupid in this country.

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