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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The northern economy was not dependent on slavary though.
    Yet even Grant owned slaves. Granted he freed his slave before the end of the war but wifie refused to free her domestic slaves.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Secession - and the war that follows - are only a 'right' if they are successful. That's why our declaration of independence from England was successful - we were able to win the war that followed.

    That said, considering the major reason for the secession of the rebel states and the war that followed - the preservation of the institution of slavery - there is zero reason why the Confederate flag belongs anywhere outside of a museum or on private property.
    No there is plenty of reason the Confederate flag should fly in the South. It is our heritage. Sadly some want to do away with our heritage.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    I wouldn't call it luck running out, I call it bad timing and poor lighting.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    You mean yankee slaveholders. Don't forget slavery was rampant up north also. The Confederate leaders are in heaven. Who knows where the yanks wound up. We know sherman is in the innermost circle of hell.
    How "rampant" was it in the North?

    Go head HorseGirl -- tell us.

    In 1860 there were ______ slaves in the North.

    There were ______slaves in the South.

    can you fill in the blanks?

    I'd be willing to bet a sig line she won't answer this one.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Except they chose to do so just after an election happened and their canidates had lost.
    The South threatened secession in the previous 1856 election as well if a Republican was elected. Fremont - the first republican - was on the ballot, and they made it clear they were ready to pop off then if he won.

    Some in the South said they would not even allow him to take office.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    I'm tired of posting this, and HorseGirl will not read it, because she scrolls over anything that does not fit into her bubble,

    but...

    for those who might be interested:
    The direct question, when posed, was answered when NY was considering it's ratification of the Constitution. At that time it was proposed:

    "there should be reserved to the state of New York a right to withdraw herself from the union after a certain number of years."

    A vote was taken, and it was negatived.


    Elliot’s Debates: Volume 2 | Teaching American History

    Historian Amar goes on to explain the pivotal moment of agreement:

    "But exactly how were these states united? Did a state that said yes in the 1780's retain the right to unilaterally say no later on, and thereby secede? If not, why not?

    Once again, it was in New York that the answer emerged most emphatically. At the outset of the Poughkeepsie convention, anti-Federalists held a strong majority. The tide turned when word arrived that New Hampshire and Virginia had said yes to the Constitution, at which point anti-Federalists proposed a compromise: they would vote to ratify, but if the new federal government failed to embrace various reforms that they favored, "there should be reserved to the state of New York a right to withdraw herself from the union after a certain number of years."

    At the risk of alienating swing voters and losing on the ultimate ratification vote, Federalists emphatically opposed the compromise.

    In doing so, they made clear to everyone - in New York and in the 12 other states where people were following the New York contest with interest - that the Constitution did not permit unilateral state secession.

    Alexander Hamilton read aloud a letter at the Poughkeepsie convention that he had received from James Madison stating that "the Constitution requires an adoption in toto, and for ever."

    Hamilton and John Jay then added their own words, which the New York press promptly reprinted: "a reservation of a right to withdraw" was "inconsistent with the Constitution, and was no ratification."

    Thus, it was New York where the document became an irresistible reality and where its central meaning - one nation, democratic and indivisible - emerged with crystal clarity."

    Conventional Wisdom--A Commentary by Prof. Akhil Amar Yale Law School

    Yes. "In toto and forever."
    It was written from a yankee perspective, why should I believe its "truth" at all
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Figures you reject history that doesn't fit your agenda. How typical.
    I stand by the Constitution 100%. You have shown not one historical fact or document that proves...what ever you're trying to say.

    Give me something. give me paper or a quote in which an American figure stated that secession was a lawful act.

    Hell give me a rebel leader that showed that the constitution allows secession....anything.


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Yet even Grant owned slaves. Granted he freed his slave before the end of the war but wifie refused to free her domestic slaves.
    See? She's been corrected on this like 82 times, but she refuses to even acknowledge the facts and just keeps on Everyready battery bunnying the line.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    It was written from a yankee perspective, why should I believe its "truth" at all
    See? Completely impenetrable to facts.

    Even the words of James Madison, the father of our contitution are "a Yankee perspective."

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    It was written from a yankee perspective, why should I believe its "truth" at all
    The truth: the south lost.

    And this happened to Columbia South Carolina.

    Sherman sacks Columbia, South Carolina - Feb 17, 1865 - HISTORY.com
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