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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I agree with that, and the best reason in SC is the STATE itself rose that flag on top of their state house in defense of Jim Crow in 1961. State leaders adopted the battle flag of the Confederacy, whose VP said this, "Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition" to defend, 100 years later, second class status (aka "subordination to the superior race") for the same blacks that the Confederacy would keep in bondage.

    The flag just has a shameful history, whether you look at it from 1861 or 1961 when it went up on the SC capital.
    Im sorry but you are simply as wrong as you can be. "The Flag" does not have a shameful history. What some have done with it and its legacy is indeed shameful. As has been clearly demonstrated...numerous states have done shameful things while flying their current state flag. TYhings were done by many in this country under the US flag and to some the US flag itself is a symbol of oppression.

    The flag is just a flag. The meaning is what specific individuals assign to it.

    All that being said...you recognize of course that this is all cause driven bull**** and those clamoring for the flags removal are mere puppets dancing because a bunch of ****heads in DC are telling them to dance...right? While people are ****ting themselves over this flag, in a relatively slow weekend in Chicago 82 people were shot, 14 of the fatally, and nary a Confederate flag was to be found. The black communities in this country are still immersed in ****...and no Confederate flags are flying to hasten their misery. Its all bull****...its a cause...and you ought to be embarrassed if you fell for it.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    while we all argue over a stupid flag.....

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    I agree with that, but I don't know of many liberals who support TPP. Obama does, which is why some of us object to him being called a liberal or "socialist" who is walking in step with the Fortune 500 on this and other major issues important to them.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I agree with that, but I don't know of many liberals who support TPP. Obama does, which is why some of us object to him being called a liberal or "socialist" who is walking in step with the Fortune 500 on this and other major issues important to them.



    Yet they will all vote for hillary, who is at best "non-committal" on the deal, meaning she'll be all for it once elected.


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    I got as far as "Professor of Sociology" and already doubted it.

    Sociology is a "study" of how evil whitey is.... that is pretty much the entirety of it. Sure they throw some other **** in there to mask the fact that its purpose is to spread white guilt over some **** the vast majority of white people have absolutely no control over.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    I may be alone in this assessment...

    Removing the Confederate flag from statehouse is a good thing, and probably overdue. Especially considering that in SC it only went up in 1962 in response to Civil Rights.

    However, it seems the hysteria has gone a bit overboard. Restricting it everywhere is way too much.

    It's place in history should be honored, but to say that history is without racism is extremely dishonest. The whole Confederacy only started because a President was elected who had this notion that black people were people.


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of course you can find somewhere...ANYWHERE...that I have attempted to 'justify' slavery anywhere. Right? Go ahead and post it...I'll wait.
    Why are you trying to compare slavery in New York to slavery in the South?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im sorry but you are simply as wrong as you can be. "The Flag" does not have a shameful history. What some have done with it and its legacy is indeed shameful. As has been clearly demonstrated...numerous states have done shameful things while flying their current state flag. TYhings were done by many in this country under the US flag and to some the US flag itself is a symbol of oppression.

    The flag is just a flag. The meaning is what specific individuals assign to it.
    The STATE OF SC assigned a "meaning" to it - KEEP SC WHITE. JIM CROW FOREVER. "What some have done with it" is the STATE OF SC, their legislature, and governor, as recently as 1961 and for the next 39 years, flying it on top of their state house.

    All that being said...you recognize of course that this is all cause driven bull**** and those clamoring for the flags removal are mere puppets dancing because a bunch of ****heads in DC are telling them to dance...right? While people are ****ting themselves over this flag, in a relatively slow weekend in Chicago 82 people were shot, 14 of the fatally, and nary a Confederate flag was to be found. The black communities in this country are still immersed in ****...and no Confederate flags are flying to hasten their misery. Its all bull****...its a cause...and you ought to be embarrassed if you fell for it.
    It's a pretty weak defense. Anytime you have to go, "Well, gosh, there are all these other important issues - what about them!!????" then you've hit the bottom of the barrel. In this context you're just saying that our (the South's) history doesn't matter, and I don't agree.

    I don't really care much about the flag itself, it's a reliable identifier around here of idiots or racists, and I'm always happy for the heads up. But to the extent that our history matters, the flag and its history matters. If defenders admitted that, yes, state governments, political leaders, governors, etc. all over the South rallied under that flag to defend Jim Crow in the 50s and 60s, and yes, blacks rightfully don't share the sentiment that the banner FOR Jim Crow represents the noble part of Southern Heritage, but we don't care. We love it so to hell with anyone who disagrees, at least we're being honest.

    But what I see instead is like you did above - "what some did with it...." No, that's not the problem, this unidentified 'some.' What THE STATE did with it is the problem.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Yet they will all vote for hillary, who is at best "non-committal" on the deal, meaning she'll be all for it once elected.
    Of course she's for it. It's likely that all the Republicans in the race are also.


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    Many white southerners realize the Confederate Flag is a symbol of racial hatred for African Americans and are unwilling to adjust their attitude. They like things to stay the same. Unfortunately, the world is changing all around us, so quickly, that same sex marriages are becoming routine. It's about time we did the same thing with racism in the southern states which fly the Confederate Flag by digging our way out of a morass of lies and ignorance.
    Im sorry... I can't take your opinion of the south very seriously... you live in New York.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Yet they will all vote for hillary, who is at best "non-committal" on the deal, meaning she'll be all for it once elected.
    Perhaps because we know the GOP candidate will vote for it and will enthusiastically support TPP.

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