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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So you are saying that I am avoiding the question you asked to avoid my question so it's my bad for not answering your question you asked to avoid mine?
    There are two different statements at play here. First was your unsupported claim that mere possession of the flag was what led to the beat down. My sarcastic question response to that was the one which mentioned the word "hugs" but never claimed you used that word. Now you're trying to weasel out trying to portray this as an unprovoked attack by making yet another false claim that I indicated you, or someone, said "hugs." This is not my first rodeo with feckless rightwingers. And you're not the first of the last that has tried and failed to slither way from his/her baseless claims.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    whats with you and avoiding questions? lol
    What's with you and running away from your comment about "mere possession?" And what's with "lol?" Are you in middle school?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
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    In 1827, 50 years after the Declaration of Independence and after being THE hub for slave sales for 200 years
    Uh, no. Not THE hub, bub. Not by a long. long shot.



    New York finally ended slavery.
    Tiny drop in the ocean compared to millions in the South.

    New Hampshire...not til 1845.
    hah! Slavery was effectively abolished in NH in the 18th century.
    In 1840's there was a grand total of one slave in NH.
    Pennsylvania, Connecticut...
    You really, really don't know your history.

    The number of slaves were literally decimal points of the population.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Uh, no. Not THE hub, bub. Not by a long. long shot.



    Tiny drop in the ocean compared to millions in the South.

    hah! Slavery was effectively abolished in NH in the 18th century.
    In 1840's there was a grand total of one slave in NH.
    You really, really don't know your history.

    The number of slaves were literally decimal points of the population.
    What was the North's Economy like? Agricultural? Industrial?

    Which economy type benefited from slavery more?

    Which economy type benefited from slavery the least?


    You can keep bitching about who had more slaves and who had less.... but until you recognize the economic significance of that debate.... It means absolutely nothing.

    And when you do recognize the economic significance.... then you will realize that the difference means little to nothing.


    As I stated earlier in the thread..... It was Economy (South) vs Pride (Keeping Union Together). It became Economy (South) vs Morals (North) after Lincoln decided to change his tune to it being a war over the Establishment of slavery.

    Everybody.... North South East West... was racist against the negro race during that time period. It wasn't about racism, as all sides were equally racist.

    The south became known for racism due to the actions of several groups towards blacks in the south as retaliation for their suffering during the reconstruction period. A lot of blame was placed upon the black population because they were an easy and vulnerable target. This of course, kept the southern racists vocal while the northern ones weren't. Not to mention that more black people live in the south, even TODAY, than in any other region in the US, and therefore, racial incidents were FAR more likely to occur between southern whites and blacks than northern whites and blacks.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    If you can't understand or appreciate how the confederate flag can be viewed as a symbol of racist oppression, even if that's not what it means to you, then i think you are misinformed.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    What was the North's Economy like? Agricultural? Industrial?

    Which economy type benefited from slavery more?

    Which economy type benefited from slavery the least?


    You can keep bitching about who had more slaves and who had less.... but until you recognize the economic significance of that debate.... It means absolutely nothing.

    And when you do recognize the economic significance.... then you will realize that the difference means little to nothing.


    As I stated earlier in the thread..... It was Economy (South) vs Pride (Keeping Union Together). It became Economy (South) vs Morals (North) after Lincoln decided to change his tune to it being a war over the Establishment of slavery.

    Everybody.... North South East West... was racist against the negro race during that time period. It wasn't about racism, as all sides were equally racist.

    The south became known for racism due to the actions of several groups towards blacks in the south as retaliation for their suffering during the reconstruction period. A lot of blame was placed upon the black population because they were an easy and vulnerable target. This of course, kept the southern racists vocal while the northern ones weren't. Not to mention that more black people live in the south, even TODAY, than in any other region in the US, and therefore, racial incidents were FAR more likely to occur between southern whites and blacks than northern whites and blacks.
    While the north and south were both racist, I wouldn't say it was equal.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Should the Confederate Flag be removed/abolished?

    I say no. The argument is that it represents racism and slavery. That is stupid. So does the American Flag.
    No, that's what it represents. But what do you mean by abolish? From state houses, yes. But people are free to fly whatever they want.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Uh, no. Not THE hub, bub. Not by a long. long shot.



    Tiny drop in the ocean compared to millions in the South.

    hah! Slavery was effectively abolished in NH in the 18th century.
    In 1840's there was a grand total of one slave in NH.
    You really, really don't know your history.

    The number of slaves were literally decimal points of the population.
    "It's an ugly and long-ignored chapter in the city’s history: A slave market operated for decades in the heart of Wall Street.
    The city has never formally acknowledged the human mill that was run at the corner of Wall and Pearl Sts. from 1711 to 1762.
    Until now.
    Three centuries after the market was established, the city is planning to erect a historic marker commemorating the site.
    “It’s beyond past due,” said City Councilman Jumaane Williams (D-Brooklyn), who pushed for the creation of the sign."
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.2187091

    Its just a LITTLE **** in the brownie. Go ahead and have a big ol piece.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that's what it represents. But what do you mean by abolish? From state houses, yes. But people are free to fly whatever they want.
    The American flag does NOT represent slavery...

    The confederate flag may have meaning other than slavery. Anyone who argues that the confederate flag cannot possibly represent slavery, that it's never been intimidating to african americans, is sorely mistaken. Being a mature, considerate adult means you MUST, inevitably, come to the conclusion that the confederate flag has no place in mainstream, modern-day America.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    The American flag does NOT represent slavery...

    The confederate flag may have meaning other than slavery. Anyone who argues that the confederate flag cannot possibly represent slavery, that it's never been intimidating to african americans, is sorely mistaken. Being a mature, considerate adult means you MUST, inevitably, come to the conclusion that the confederate flag has no place in mainstream, modern-day America.
    It does today.

    Why do people believe myths about the Confederacy? Because our textbooks and monuments are wrong. - The Washington Post

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