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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Simply put, playing whack-a-mole with poverty does not solve it. Nor does cutting taxes on the rich, otherwise states such as Louisiana and Mississippi would be prosperous.
    There's aren't too many millionaires to soak in Mississippi. On the other hand, we have plenty of households headed by single parents with kids born out of wedlock, especially up in the Delta area south of Memphis. More than fifty years of Great Society and War on Poverty spending don't seem to have made much of a dent in the problem. All we've done is create a culture of dependency. Call it Uncle Sam's Plantation.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    I see you only picked a minority to attempt to prove your "point"
    You can make all the excuses that you like, but slavery is ALWAYS WRONG. The fact that you are defending slavery by pretending that slave owners took good care of their property, speaks volumes. IMO The USA should have stopped slavery outright from the beginning and kicked any ones asses that thought it should continue. But thats not how history happened, so eventually the problem was corrected through a civil war.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    You can make all the excuses that you like, but slavery is ALWAYS WRONG. The fact that you are defending slavery by pretending that slave owners took good care of their property, speaks volumes. IMO The USA should have stopped slavery outright from the beginning and kicked any ones asses that thought it should continue. But thats not how history happened, so eventually the problem was corrected through a civil war.
    "The US" with very few exceptions engaged in slavery from the beginning. Northern states only relinquished slavery when it was no longer economically viable and they damn sure didnt want freed slaves in the north. No one is defending slavery...but dont be so foolish as to pretend the world was pure except for the south. All that 'should have' bull**** comes from historical hindsight. Had you been in the middle of it odds are your opinions would be rather different.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Nope. The South wanted things to be more as the nation was originally founded, where the states had more say. The yanks on the other hand wanted a stronger central government, so the South exercised their right to leave, and when the north realized the economic consequences of that move, it was all she wrote.
    The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

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    The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.

    Mississippi
    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

    South Carolina
    We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

    Texas
    Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

    Virginia just vaguely mentioned "opression against the slve-holding states."

    So, why, if slavery wasn't the cause, is that the ONLY specific cause mentioned by the Confederate states?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

    Georgia
    The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.

    Mississippi
    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.

    South Carolina
    We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

    Texas
    Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

    Virginia just vaguely mentioned "opression against the slve-holding states."

    So, why, if slavery wasn't the cause, is that the ONLY specific cause mentioned by the Confederate states?
    She's been shown that literally hundreds of times -- I firmly believe she refuses to even read the States' Declarations.

    She still, to this day, and years and years of asking her to admit it, will not even accept the words slavery or slave is even in the Confederate Constitution.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Deep down it must make Hillary sad to see her pet Confederate flag taking so many hits.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    The truth is on my side, the sooner the yanks admit it, the better for all of us
    This is going beyond pitiful.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    You gotta wonder about all this PC **** when you see people getting "diversity beatdowns"


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    and it being cheered.


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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You gotta wonder about all this PC **** when you see people getting "diversity beatdowns"


    Bro Waves Confederate Flag, Gets KTFO | SportsGrid


    and it being cheered.
    Its ok, white people are allowed to be beaten. Don't know why he was not armed.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    My wife and I spent a couple of anniversaries in Atlanta in recent years, mainly to attend operas at the Cobb Energy Center. We both enjoyed our time there. We rode public transportation, including buses and the subway, and spent time downtown in Centennial Park, CNN Center, the aquarium, etc. Frankly, we were impressed by how clean it was, with a significant amount of mixed-use development. On the other hand, I'll never forget the moonscape we witnessed as we flew into Detroit's airport a few years ago. I mean, yeah, there were skyscrapers, but there were also many empty fields and dilapidated buildings. The place just looked depressing, like something from a dystopian novel.

    Anyway, my point isn't that Atlanta is some sort of Shrangri La or Oz, but I stand by the juxtaposed photo of the city as a metaphor for an ascendant South. I could just as easily have substituted Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, Huntsville, Chattanooga, Nashville, or Raleigh-Durham.
    As true as all of that may be about downtown Atlanta, the fact is, that spiffy appearance doesn't tell the whole story about the city and the region. I'm not sure why you're not at least giving my fact-based arguments about Vine City, Bankhead, SW Atlanta, etc. deference. Likewise, what you saw in Detroit belies a lot. Remember, Detroit's economy got shellacked when all the carmaking jobs got shipped away. You would think that, in the wake of this collapse, we would have treated the heart and soul of an existentially American industry better, although you and I most likely have differing views over what that would mean and what we should have done with Detroit. But this notion, this silly notion, that it was "high taxes and liberalism" that hurt Detroit is just capitalist tripe, pure and simple.

    On a lighter note, I'm glad you enjoyed your time in Atlanta. I think that people are surprised just how much there is to do there. And once we get light rail built on the eastside Beltline, that's gonna unlock even more portions of the city that you can see without ever having to get in a car.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    There's aren't too many millionaires to soak in Mississippi. On the other hand, we have plenty of households headed by single parents with kids born out of wedlock, especially up in the Delta area south of Memphis. More than fifty years of Great Society and War on Poverty spending don't seem to have made much of a dent in the problem. All we've done is create a culture of dependency. Call it Uncle Sam's Plantation.
    Then why do librul Massachusetts and Minnesota have some of the highest standards of living and life expectancies in America? In particular, you need to read that first source and note what it has to say about Mississippi and Louisiana. And I think you completely missed my note when I clearly pointed out that Mississippi (and Louisiana) have been Republican-controlled states for many years now. But the even bigger issue is that the South has a culture of ignorance which, except for some of its larger metro areas, greatly impedes its progress. It is not an exaggeration by any stretch to say that much of Mississippi literally is worse off than many Third-World nations.

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