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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    Yes revisionists like you are but then again with the educational climate in this country I am not surprised.
    Rich.

    you actually think the 3/5th clause "reduced* the Southern power in Congress. lol Property, with no votes -- get representation.

    See: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064792892

    & Answer this one:

    If the South considered slaves as only chattel property - why do they count as a human only when the census is concerned?

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Rich.

    you actually think the 3/5th clause "reduced* the Southern power in Congress. lol Property, with no votes -- get representation.

    See: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1064792892

    & Answer this one:

    If the South considered slaves as only chattel property - why do they count as a human only when the census is concerned?
    WOW are you ignorant of true Southern history. The slaves in the South were treated fairly well, considering their rank in society. Besides that only a minority of the wealthiest Southerners even owned slaves.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    WOW are you ignorant of true Southern history. The slaves in the South were treated fairly well, considering their rank in society. Besides that only a minority of the wealthiest Southerners even owned slaves.
    Yea sure their masters treated them well. Even if a slave owner didnt whip their property, they still had complete ownership and control of the slaves every aspect of life. To be a slave alone is bad treatment by the owner.




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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Yea sure their masters treated them well. Even if a slave owner didnt whip their property, they still had complete ownership and control of the slaves every aspect of life. To be a slave alone is bad treatment by the owner.



    I see you only picked a minority to attempt to prove your "point"
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    WOW are you ignorant of true Southern history. The slaves in the South were treated fairly well, considering their rank in society. Besides that only a minority of the wealthiest Southerners even owned slaves.
    This actually doesn't change what he said. It doesn't matter if a lot of slave owners (at least in certain areas) treated their slaves well. They still didn't get the vote but were counted as part of the population, which puts a significantly greater percentage of "people" (or at least those who counted toward the population count of a state in a way to determine representation in Congress) in slave holding states, giving an unfair advantage to those states in their representation in Congress. It would be a significant loss of power for them to either a) not be able to count slaves as part of the population at all or b) have slaves freed, giving them a vote or the opportunity to leave the state they are in, changing the population count within that state. If you free people who before weren't allowed to vote but counted toward the population, and give them a voice in how they are governed, then you have now potentially changed the political nature of the area.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This actually doesn't change what he said. It doesn't matter if a lot of slave owners (at least in certain areas) treated their slaves well. They still didn't get the vote but were counted as part of the population, which puts a significantly greater percentage of "people" (or at least those who counted toward the population count of a state in a way to determine representation in Congress) in slave holding states, giving an unfair advantage to those states in their representation in Congress. It would be a significant loss of power for them to either a) not be able to count slaves as part of the population at all or b) have slaves freed, giving them a vote or the opportunity to leave the state they are in, changing the population count within that state. If you free people who before weren't allowed to vote but counted toward the population, and give them a voice in how they are governed, then you have now potentially changed the political nature of the area.
    You just explained why the Southern states left. The yanks knew had they allowed everyone to be counted down south the South would run the show, and the yanks couldn't handle that
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    You just explained why the Southern states left. The yanks knew had they allowed everyone to be counted down south the South would run the show, and the yanks couldn't handle that
    That would have been wrong. It would have been highly unfair to have people counted as part of the population who could not choose to leave the area and were not allowed to vote. It is a power scheme that could easily have the potential to put much more power in the hands of Southern slaveowning states unfairly. Freed black men may not have had a vote in the Northern states, but they could leave to go somewhere else if they chose. And I'm willing to bet there were some places in the US at the time that did allow black men to vote in at least local elections.

    It is a good thing the South did not win the Civil War. I'm not a states' rights person. This doesn't mean that I don't see some merit to the side of those defending the confederate flag, especially outside of the whole flying over public offices thing, but it is because I understand the various meanings of that flag to others (I was raised in NC) even if I don't agree with them on things like states' rights.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That would have been wrong. It would have been highly unfair to have people counted as part of the population who could not choose to leave the area and were not allowed to vote. It is a power scheme that could easily have the potential to put much more power in the hands of Southern slaveowning states unfairly. Freed black men may not have had a vote in the Northern states, but they could leave to go somewhere else if they chose. And I'm willing to bet there were some places in the US at the time that did allow black men to vote in at least local elections.

    It is a good thing the South did not win the Civil War. I'm not a states' rights person. This doesn't mean that I don't see some merit to the side of those defending the confederate flag, especially outside of the whole flying over public offices thing, but it is because I understand the various meanings of that flag to others (I was raised in NC) even if I don't agree with them on things like states' rights.
    You and the founders would have started civil war part 1, because they intended, through the much ignored 10th amendment, for the states to govern themselves in most matters.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by digitusmedius View Post
    Just because you inhabit a fantasy world where up is down, front is back and in is out doesn't mean we have to play along with it.
    The truth is on my side, the sooner the yanks admit it, the better for all of us
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    You and the founders would have started civil war part 1, because they intended, through the much ignored 10th amendment, for the states to govern themselves in most matters.
    Not all of them, no. They were divided greatly on how much power the states should have in comparison to the federal government. But there is also the other aspect of how much power the states should have over their people, in comparison to individual rights. That is the problem we see.

    Plus, the Founders also recognized that this nation would change and put in place a mechanism to change the Constitution along with those changes, as we did, which gave much of the states' power originally perceived by the Founders back to where many preferred it, in the hands of the people, enforced by the federal government backed by the Constitution.
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