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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You mean they're still angry they lost the war? Oh my, whatever shall we do?
    How was that again? (Top: Detroit Bottom: Atlanta)

    Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]-h3ydwri-jpgConfederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]-atlanta-jpg


    (Looks to me like Sherman's urban renewal project did us a favor.)
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    How was that again? (Top: Detroit Bottom: Atlanta)

    Confederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]-h3ydwri-jpgConfederate Flag[W:1518,2230, 2241]-atlanta-jpg


    (Looks to me like Sherman's urban renewal project did us a favor.)
    Um.

    1. Many of those skyscrapers are in Midtown Atlanta, most of which were built in recent decades. Midtown looked like **** half a century ago.
    2. Pan that camera 90 degrees to the west and travel one mile. Now let's see how the two neighborhoods look.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    You would be surprised what is also in the Daughters of the Confederacy magazines. They have actual writings and excerpts of journals from soldiers themselves. Unfortunately I gave all of my magazines away to a horse trainer friend of mine (I kept the one with my grandma's name in the "In Memoriam" section after she passed in 1998)
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Except the black Southerners. But their opinions only matter about 3/5th's as much as a white Southerner...
    Oh snap. (yeah, I know that saying is "so five minutes ago," but seemed so appropriate in this instance).

    I needed a jolt into reality, as I'm still laughing at horse girl telling us we need a history lesson.
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseLoverGirl View Post
    How silly can anyone be?
    Did your granddaddy tell you what the 3/5ths compromise is?
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Did your granddaddy tell you what the 3/5ths compromise is?
    I'm curious...what did YOUR granddaddy teach you about the 3/5ths compromise? How did YOUR granddaddy reconcile the fact that when the compromise was offered northern states also had slaves and that they simply didnt want them to be counted at all?

    Edit: Really...Im just curious...not being argumentative. OFTEN TIMES...people trot out things like the 3/5th compromise or 'Jim Crow laws' and dont have the first ****ing clue the historical relevance or sometimes even WTF they were about. Like...when they were passed, what 'flag' was flying when it was being discussed, who were the proponents of what, etc....
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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I'm curious...what did YOUR granddaddy teach you about the 3/5ths compromise? How did YOUR granddaddy reconcile the fact that when the compromise was offered northern states also had slaves and that they simply didnt want them to be counted at all?
    The 3/5th clause was about reapportionment.

    The North did not want the slaves counted - because they were property, much as a horse or cow was property.

    In fact at the Constitutional Convention, some Northern reps even argued if property could be counted for reapportionment, why not their own horses?

    The south wanted full count to beef up their numbers in Congress, which it did -- they just didn't want those same people -- er, property, to vote or to actually have representation.

    That would kinda jam up their plans.

    It was a compromise - because the southerners said they would not ratify the Constitution if they could not give their slave property at least 3/5ths representation in Congress.

    Without giving them representation. They used their slaves as hostages to the negotiation.


    Then the South went on to dominate congress for near all of the first quarter of our history.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Slavery had been abolished in most of the Northern states long before the Civil War.

    The only way the South would join the Union in the first place was because the South insisted on keeping their slaves. That dirty compromise was made at the start with the Southerners and the die was cast, the can kicked down the road.

    The Industrial Revolution tied up their world deeper and further into slavery and cotton was King.

    There's no getting around the fact of just how entrenched they were in their longing to preserve, protect and expand their "peculiar institution."

    Some seventy years later they were itching for that war and nothing was going to stop them. Those slaves were theirs, dammit. A republican president who made it clear he would not abolish slavery -- but also would not expand it was all it took.

    The South commenced hostilities before that first Republican president ever stepped into office.

    Damn shame it had to come to that, but in the end, it was a worthy and noble war because it destroyed slavery once and for all.

    It's a wretched indictment of 19th century Americans though, that they had to slaughter each other to do that.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Slavery had been abolished in most of the Northern states long before the Civil War.

    The only way the South would join the Union in the first place was because the South insisted on keeping their slaves. That dirty compromise was made at the start with the Southerners and the die was cast, the can kicked down the road.

    The Industrial Revolution tied up their world deeper and further into slavery and cotton was King.

    There's no getting around the fact of just how entrenched they were in their longing to preserve, protect and expand their "peculiar institution."

    Some seventy years later they were itching for that war and nothing was going to stop them. Those slaves were theirs, dammit. A republican president who made it clear he would not abolish slavery -- but also would not expand it was all it took.

    The South commenced hostilities before that first Republican president ever stepped into office.

    Damn shame it had to come to that, but in the end, it was a worthy and noble war because it destroyed slavery once and for all.

    It's a wretched indictment of 19th century Americans though, that they had to slaughter each other to do that.
    Actually, the horror for the Black took up speed after they were freed, form what I have read. As slaves they were relatively valuable and therefore treated in a manor to keep them functional. They were fed, clothed or housed better than more easily replaceable labor in the slums and villages around the world. After they were freed however, they became destitute and have taken a long time to recover.

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    Re: Confederate Flag

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Actually, the horror for the Black took up speed after they were freed, form what I have read. As slaves they were relatively valuable and therefore treated in a manor to keep them functional. They were fed, clothed or housed better than more easily replaceable labor in the slums and villages around the world. After they were freed however, they became destitute and have taken a long time to recover.
    Sounds like you're trying to make the case for them to have remained enslaved.

    How many more generations should they have endured having their children, and their children's children ripped away from them,

    their bodies put up on action blocks and sold like cattle?

    their women raped legally by the slavers, most all slaves were whipped, and brutalized...

    None legally allowed to be even married. Bred like livestock.

    How many more generations to endure not even being citizens in the country they were born in?

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