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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I do, actually, and have said so before.

    The theory behind civil action is to be made whole again, not gain a net profit.
    Punitive damages are not part of being made whole at all but over and above being made whole:

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiki
    Punitive damages or exemplary damages are damages intended to reform or deter the defendant and others from engaging in conduct similar to that which formed the basis of the lawsuit. Although the purpose of punitive damages is not to compensate the plaintiff, the plaintiff will receive all or some portion of the punitive damage award.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_damages

    If that's the case, and you support punitive damages as exemplary - why not in a criminal case with a "hate crime" charge?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Do you reject punitive dollar amounts being added to civil court cases?
    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I do, actually, and have said so before.

    The theory behind civil action is to be made whole again, not gain a net profit.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Punitive damages are not part of being made whole at all but over and above being made whole:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punitive_damages

    If that's the case, and you support punitive damages as exemplary - why not in a criminal case with a "hate crime" charge?
    You completely misunderstood my response. You asked if I reject punitive damages. I answered in the affirmative, in that I do reject punitive damages.
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Would that include going after liberal hate groups who denigrate Christians because Biblically-based Christians refuse to honor gay marriage and abortion?
    Are they actively encouraging and convincing people to commit crimes?
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Yes. 5
    Then absolutely. Law enforcement pursues criminals. That's how it works already.

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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Would that include going after liberal hate groups who denigrate Christians because Biblically-based Christians refuse to honor gay marriage and abortion?
    Well if those liberals were committing crimes in the process like the OP apparently means, then absolutely!

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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You completely misunderstood my response. You asked if I reject punitive damages. I answered in the affirmative, in that I do reject punitive damages.
    No I didn't misunderstand at all. I asked if you disagree with punitive damages in civil court cases and you clearly said the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen
    I do, actually, and have said so before.
    I'm fine if you want to say you misspoke or misunderstood my question and didn't answer correctly but that was about as direct of an answer to a direct question as DP ever gets. Tell me what I misunderstood (if it wasn't a mistaken post on your part).
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No I didn't misunderstand at all. I asked if you disagree with punitive damages in civil court cases and you clearly said the following:



    I'm fine if you want to say you misspoke or misunderstood my question and didn't answer correctly but that was about as direct of an answer to a direct question as DP ever gets. Tell me what I misunderstood (if it wasn't a mistaken post on your part).
    Stop. You asked if I rejected punitive damages... your words, not mine... and affirmed that I do reject them, and I even quoted your question.

    If you don't have the basic intellectual maturity to suck it up and admit a simple mistake, then you're not worth my time.
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Both are hate groups, one even more dangerous than the other .. We do have just so many resources, so we must concentrate on the more dangerous one .

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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Stop. You asked if I rejected punitive damages... your words, not mine... and affirmed that I do reject them, and I even quoted your question.
    What I asked is plainly there to see in my post #58.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    If you don't have the basic intellectual maturity to suck it up and admit a simple mistake, then you're not worth my time.
    The intellectual maturity is in post #58 and your reply in your post #60.

    Tell me where I'm misunderstanding. I made no mistake. My view is and has been I support punitive damages in civil cases and I support hate crimes in criminal cases as a punitive measure. I gave you an opportunity to clarify your position and you then accuse me of making a mistake and being intellectually immature?



    The loss of intellectual maturity is yours. Feel free to not respond to my posts in the future if you want to continue with your lame accusations. It won't hurt my feelings at all.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups? Arresting and detaining leaders of these groups, freezing assets, shutting down websites, and other means of stopping these groups from spreading their hate?
    Sure....as soon as they break laws

    Until then, leave them the hell alone

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