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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    He said hate groups.He did not say hate groups that do terrorist acts.
    I'll reword that to mean groups that are known to employ and encourage violence.
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Van Basten View Post
    The government keeps an eye on hate groups already, that's as far as it needs to go.

    If they begin to make use of violence, they've gone beyond being just a hate group.



    Ignoring your lame swipe at Obama, he didn't exclude those folks.

    BTW, the Black Panthers are gone, the New Black Panthers are an off shoot that isn't recognized by former by actual, former Black Panthers. They're scum all the same though.
    Monitoring and stopping are not the same. These groups use violence and encourage it. But only the individuals are pursued. What about the others who are actively encouraging the activity. Teaching the hate. Essentially causing these things. Freedom of speech shouldn't protect the right to promote hate and violence against others. We can target the mafia for being members, we can detain terrorists for affiliation. Why shouldn't we purge society of these groups who are actively promoting hate against Americans?
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Monitoring and stopping are not the same. These groups use violence and encourage it. But only the individuals are pursued. What about the others who are actively encouraging the activity. Teaching the hate. Essentially causing these things. Freedom of speech shouldn't protect the right to promote hate and violence against others. We can target the mafia for being members, we can detain terrorists for affiliation. Why shouldn't we purge society of these groups who are actively promoting hate against Americans?


    Freedom of speech, and of association.


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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    What about the Black Panthers, La Raza, Nation of Islam, the Obama administration, etc? They promote hate...regularly
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If we did that, about next Tuesday "hate groups" would be defined as "everyone who disagrees with the administration."



    Drone attacks on the RNC maybe.


    have you SEEN how broadly the SPLC classifies hate groups??
    Yep. I think that's where they're trying to go with all this bull****. I wish they'd grow some balls and come right out and say it.
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    domestic? US citizens?


    OH hell no.



    One of my observations is that once you have given a big, anonymous, intrusive & indifferent government permission to do something, they will stretch that permission to include powers you didn't intend to cede.

    Our government already takes whatever it wants, why help it take more?

    Our government is not obligated to make us more secure just as the police are not mandated to protect you. When "Push comes to Shove", you're pretty much on your own and the help you may receive from your friends & neighbors.

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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    White Nationalist groups, KKK, New Black Panthers, Conservative Citizens, Aryan Nation, or any other groups that promote hate and encourage others to perpetrate hate against others.
    You may hit the nail on the head with some, but "hate" is still too nebulous to be a reasonable standard for persecution.
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Monitoring and stopping are not the same. These groups use violence and encourage it. But only the individuals are pursued. What about the others who are actively encouraging the activity. Teaching the hate. Essentially causing these things. Freedom of speech shouldn't protect the right to promote hate and violence against others. We can target the mafia for being members, we can detain terrorists for affiliation. Why shouldn't we purge society of these groups who are actively promoting hate against Americans?
    Until they've made actual plans and moves to commit violence upon another, they've broken no law and anything beyond surveillance is an overstep.
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Imo, a hate crime is more spontaneous and motivated by hate (and alcohol ) towards a persons color, sex, or identity rather than their politics. Whereas terrorism is usually a pre planned plot that uses fear and violence to try and force change on an entire community or government

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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Not unless the hate group in question is actually using terror to promote its ideals. People have a right to free speech, and even if we were to restrict even the most hateful organizations, regulation of speech always has the potential to devolve into a slippery slope.
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