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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Dont these groups do that?
    Are you saying that the government simply lets hate groups commit crimes merely because they're hate groups?
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by kal'stang View Post
    no, what the op did was pose a question on if we should treat hate groups the same as terrorist groups. Hate groups are groups that, through speech and only speech, spreads what some consider hate. The op did not imply or state that hate groups were violating any laws that would bring them into a terrorist category as we currently define terrorists. The op wants to know if we should treat hate groups the same as any other criminal organization. The op very well could have used the drug cartel as its example in place of terrorists.

    The "equating" was done purely by you, not the op.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmesometruth View Post
    um, if they have committed crimes like these terrorists, actions meant to cause harm and to intimidate a population....well then of course.

    That is a bit of a no-brainer.
    Quote Originally Posted by kreton View Post
    dont these groups do that?
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups? Arresting and detaining leaders of these groups, freezing assets, shutting down websites, and other means of stopping these groups from spreading their hate?
    I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the government does pursue hate groups in the same way - they monitor their activity and they act on intelligence of any planned violence. Difference is likely that with terrorist groups, and I assume you're talking Islamic terrorists, they are recruiting teenagers and other young idiots and they do it openly on social media. American hate groups are likely far more circumspect in their activities and recruits aren't chatting away about their plans.
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yes, the Original Poster did:
    No he did not Nothing that post says anything about terrorist acts.Spreading hate is not a terrorist act.

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    Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups? Arresting and detaining leaders of these groups, freezing assets, shutting down websites, and other means of stopping these groups from spreading their hate?
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No he did not Nothing that post says anything about terrorist acts.Spreading hate is not a terrorist act.
    James, I'm very sorry that in spite of my posting a somewhat clarifying set of exchanges between myself and the OP (Original Poster) where he does, in point of fact, equate the hate groups with terrorists by implying that they have committed terrorist acts, that this does not help your understanding. What can I do to further help you to understand what equating is?
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups? Arresting and detaining leaders of these groups, freezing assets, shutting down websites, and other means of stopping these groups from spreading their hate?
    what is a hate group.?

    people who don't like abortions?

    people who don't like SSM?

    people who are against things the government are engaged in?....welfare, foreign intervention, etc.

    the word hate is throw around so easy today by so many people.
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    The government keeps an eye on hate groups already, that's as far as it needs to go.

    If they begin to make use of violence, they've gone beyond being just a hate group.

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    What about the Black Panthers, La Raza, Nation of Islam, the Obama administration, etc? They promote hate...regularly
    Ignoring your lame swipe at Obama, he didn't exclude those folks.

    BTW, the Black Panthers are gone, the New Black Panthers are an off shoot that isn't recognized by former by actual, former Black Panthers. They're scum all the same though.
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Nope.

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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    What about the Black Panthers, La Raza, Nation of Islam, the Obama administration, etc? They promote hate...regularly
    I certainly don't include the Obama administration as a hate group. Don't know too much about the others.
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    Re: Would you support the government pursuing hate groups as they do terrorist groups

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Being hate group is not terrorism.If you are a occu-tard who hates rich people then you are free to hate all the rich people you want.Terrorism is the act or threat of violence used to coerce or intimidate people into doing something you want. If a occu-tard killed a wallstreet banker simply we because that occu-tard hates rich people then it is not a act of terrorism.Now if that occu-tard killed that wall-street banker with the hopes of intimidating or coercing other wall-street bankers into doing something that furthers the political goals of the occu-tard movement want then that would be terrorism.
    Occupy people and the kkk are not the same. The kkk have historically used violence to intimidate and threaten. They also encourage others to use violence.
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