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  • For the criminals guilty of 1st degree murder ,mass murderers ,serial killers

    5 9.26%
  • Serial killers ,mass murderers ,organized criminals participating in terrorist actions

    4 7.41%
  • Criminals guilty of 1st and 2nd degree murder,serial killers,mass murderers

    0 0%
  • serial killers , serial rapists ,pedophiles,

    0 0%
  • all kind of murderers , rapists ,pedohiles

    4 7.41%
  • only mass murderers

    0 0%
  • any kind of murderers and rapists

    0 0%
  • it is against human rights

    2 3.70%
  • I am against death penalty

    30 55.56%
  • Other

    9 16.67%
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't think there's much need for the Death Penalty any longer.
    we should care about the rights of some monsters
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    we should care about the rights of some monsters
    It's not about individuals. It's about the integrity of the system overall.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Easy to say when you're sitting in your comfy home pontificating on the lives of others you will never meet.
    And what are you doing? Standing in the crosshairs of truth, justice and The American Way? Our justice system is not perfect. If it were closer thus, OJ would never have gone to prison for robbery.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    It's not about individuals. It's about the integrity of the system overall.
    true,murderers rapists cant be individuals
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And what are you doing? Standing in the crosshairs of truth, justice and The American Way? Our justice system is not perfect. If it were closer thus, OJ would never have gone to prison for robbery.
    No, it's not, and to blow off areas that could be improved by this reasoning is lazy.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    we should care about the rights of some monsters
    Well we should care for the rights of all humans. But given the expense and flaws of the Death Penalty, it's best to avoid it completely. There's no benefit to having it.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well we should care for the rights of all humans. But given the expense and flaws of the Death Penalty, it's best to avoid it completely. There's no benefit to having it.
    law rules are established and practised for the benefit of criminals,you may think this way

    a psycho will kill your child and you will care about his rights.are you an angel ?
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well we should care for the rights of all humans. But given the expense and flaws of the Death Penalty, it's best to avoid it completely. There's no benefit to having it.
    I think life in jail is all the punishment that should be given, it is at least as harsh and effective as the death penalty if not more. And if mistakes are made, then it at least is possible to undo your mistake and release the suspect.

    The same goes for the refusal of a new trial when new evidence is found that would most likely acquit someone, just because a judge thinks that this person had a fair trial. Ridiculous, innocent but still sitting in jail because you got a "fair trial" is insane IMHO.

    Don't get me wrong, even in the Netherlands people sit in jail for a long time when they are in fact innocent of the crime, but at least people try to learn from that in a most serious manner. And that is from banning interrogation methods that have a high risk of leading for false confessions/impure evidence gathering to banning investigation methods because of officers having tunnel vision.

    In the Netherlands a case can be re-opened if a novum is found (a new fact) but even in rare cases where a re-investigation of the original information can be found to be a novum. The biggest threats to a police investigation can be tunnel vision and bad conclusions of the scientific evidence in the case.

    In the Netherlands a nurse was given a life sentence (and in the Netherlands that is a natural life sentence, so until they are in jail until they are either dead or have a compassionate release due to final stages of terminal illness) based on faulty conclusions and investigation, you can read about her case here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucia_de_Berk

    The end result is that she was released and she got an unspecified monetary sum (for her 6.5 years sitting in jail while innocent) from the Dutch government. She received 45,000 euro's from her former employer and she received a letter of apology from the cabinet minister of justice for her ordeal.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    law rules are established and practised for the benefit of criminals,you may think this way

    a psycho will kill your child and you will care about his rights.are you an angel ?
    The fact is that the Death Penalty costs more money than life in prison. It has and does consume innocent life. It offers no additional deterrent than the prison system in and of itself. It provides no additional aggregate security to society. In the modern era, it is not necessary to have it and having it is in and of itself a danger.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The fact is that the Death Penalty costs more money than life in prison. It has and does consume innocent life. It offers no additional deterrent than the prison system in and of itself. It provides no additional aggregate security to society. In the modern era, it is not necessary to have it and having it is in and of itself a danger.
    how ? dead people need to be fed ?
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