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  • For the criminals guilty of 1st degree murder ,mass murderers ,serial killers

    5 9.26%
  • Serial killers ,mass murderers ,organized criminals participating in terrorist actions

    4 7.41%
  • Criminals guilty of 1st and 2nd degree murder,serial killers,mass murderers

    0 0%
  • serial killers , serial rapists ,pedophiles,

    0 0%
  • all kind of murderers , rapists ,pedohiles

    4 7.41%
  • only mass murderers

    0 0%
  • any kind of murderers and rapists

    0 0%
  • it is against human rights

    2 3.70%
  • I am against death penalty

    30 55.56%
  • Other

    9 16.67%
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    So you've been charged with a murder you didn't commit and are faced with two options

    1. Roll the dice on a trial, spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and face the possibility of conviction and then execution
    2. Plead guilty, live and save your family lots of grief and expense.

    Which do you choose?
    If you're innocent, you're screwed either way.


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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If you're innocent, you're screwed either way.
    Yep and I don't know about you but I'd rather be screwed and alive to fight another day than dead.
    Prosecutors routinely overcharge to get people to plead to a lesser offense. We don't have a trial system, what we really have is a plea bargain system. Only something like 3% of people ever go to trial, the rest take plea bargains. If the stats I see that state somewhere between 3-5% of the people convicted are actually innocent are accurate that would mean an awful lot of innocent people don't roll the dice and take a shorter stint in prison rather than chance a longer term after a trial.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Yep and I don't know about you but I'd rather be screwed and alive to fight another day than dead.
    Prosecutors routinely overcharge to get people to plead to a lesser offense. We don't have a trial system, what we really have is a plea bargain system. Only something like 3% of people ever go to trial, the rest take plea bargains. If the stats I see that state somewhere between 3-5% of the people convicted are actually innocent are accurate that would mean an awful lot of innocent people don't roll the dice and take a shorter stint in prison rather than chance a longer term after a trial.
    Shrug. Those people who take a plea and are innocent? That's on them. No discussion necessary. If only 3% go to trial and the rest plea? If that's true? Our court system would explode without plea bargaining. Taxes are high enough already. What we don't need is exploding justice dept budgets.


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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Shrug. Those people who take a plea and are innocent? That's on them. No discussion necessary. If only 3% go to trial and the rest plea? If that's true? Our court system would explode without plea bargaining. Taxes are high enough already. What we don't need is exploding justice dept budgets.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    I'm really not comfortable with the state performing executions. It's morally questionable, can't be undone if the victim turns out to be innocent, and it's a huge waste of money. Life imprisonment with the possibility of parole is the strictest punishment I support, which would be much cheaper for the government to carry out.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I'm such a pain. Didn't find any I agreed with.

    The death penalty is a good bargaining chip. Plea bargaining it to life without parole which requires full confession in open court (for family benefit) and negates the appeals process isn't all bad. And, of course, if they DON'T take a plea and ARE sentenced to death, they'll spend their appeal time on death row in almost solitary confinement...year after year after year.

    I'm for having the death penalty but not using it except as I've talked about above. For many of these psychopaths, the death penalty is MUCH too easy an exit.
    Great, except if you are innocent and don't have anything to confess too. Like is still happening every year IMHO.

    Or when you live in a region with an activist prosecutor who has political ambitions and who uses the death penalty as a method of looking tough on crime. And if they are a psychopath, they were not right in the head as they are suffering from a mental disorder with abnormal and violent social behavior. And I do not think it is right to execute people with a mental condition, now they may never be released in society nor locked up and be a burden on the poor prison guards and their fellow inmates. They need to be housed in a prison like institute with specialized mental professionals, kept under constant medication, etc.

    For me the plea bargain is one of the greatest evils in the universe. The idea behind it might be one of righteous thinking but sadly it has become a system of total and utter injustice. And how can someone risk a jury trial? If you are innocent, you risk a bad lawyer, an over active and very showy prosecutor and a bunch of individuals whom, from a legal standpoint have about zero knowledge about the law and could be total morons, to decide your life/death. Even if you are innocent or not nearly as guilty as the prosecutor claims, you take the least worse option, plea bargain.

    Because sadly the legal system in the US is not that interested in the truth, it is interested in results and convictions. The great plea bargaining where the really guilty get off lighter because a prosecutor does also not want to risk a trial if he fears that a showy lawyer will confuse the 12 jurors into confusion when the case should be a slam dunk if someone were looking at this who would not be fooled by a showy lawyer spinning the facts and creating fiction.

    That is at least my opinion.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Shrug. Those people who take a plea and are innocent? That's on them. No discussion necessary. If only 3% go to trial and the rest plea? If that's true? Our court system would explode without plea bargaining. Taxes are high enough already. What we don't need is exploding justice dept budgets.
    No. That's on us for designing a system that forces innocent people to lie to minimize the damage that may be done to them and their families.

    You have a Constitutional right to a trial by jury. The system should not be set up such that it discourages the exercise of that right. If if costs us taxpayers more then that's life. Don't like it. Don't try to put in jail people who don't belong in jail.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Shrug. Those people who take a plea and are innocent? That's on them. No discussion necessary. If only 3% go to trial and the rest plea? If that's true? Our court system would explode without plea bargaining. Taxes are high enough already. What we don't need is exploding justice dept budgets.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    No. That's on us for designing a system that forces innocent people to lie to minimize the damage that may be done to them and their families.

    You have a Constitutional right to a trial by jury. The system should not be set up such that it discourages the exercise of that right. If if costs us taxpayers more then that's life. Don't like it. Don't try to put in jail people who don't belong in jail.
    I sometimes think that I would choose a jury trial and reject a plea deal offer, primarily out of principle, because I figure my life would be screwed from that point anyway so it doesn't matter.

    But I also know that I'd have to be actually faced with the situation to make a decision like that.
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    Re: Death penalty for ........ ?

    I don't think there's much need for the Death Penalty any longer.
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