Was the South Carolina chuch shootings an act of terrorism

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Kreton said:

Classifying can serve a much bigger purpose which can help fight the groups that are driving alot of these attacks. Kind of like RICO and organized crime. These racist groups or hate groups should be combated the same way the Mafia/Al Queda/ ISIS are.

I dont really care if Roof is labeled a terrorist. I want the Council of Conservative Citizens, the KKK, the New Black Panthers and many others treated as terrorist organizations.

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So much for freedom of expression.

People should have the right to hate anyone they want, just so long as they don't threaten/commit violence.

'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances'.

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Kreton said:

I dont really care if Roof is labeled a terrorist. I want the Council of Conservative Citizens, the KKK, the New Black Panthers and many others treated as terrorist organizations.

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The KKK certainly used to be the largest terrorist organization in the country. But what acts of terrorism has the modern day KKK and the other organizations you listed commited?

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a351 said:

If the eyewitness accounts of what was said prior to the shooting withstand scrutiny, then it could (and should) very well be classified as a hate crime.

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I don't think it should be.

Whether or not it actually is really doesn't matter much to me.

The guy murdered nine people and it's unlikely he's ever going to see daylight again, so I guess I really don't care what we "call" it.

But I don't think this guy really hated anyone, nor do I think this guy is really a terrorist (though by the most simplistic definition of the offense I guess he can be considered as much).

What I think is that this kid was just your everyday, garden variety, nut job.

There's no history of racial hate in his background. No associations with racially prejudiced organizations. According to what I've been reading this guy was friendly with black kids in high school (which he'd just graduated a few years prior).

This kid is a racist like Rachel Dolezal is black.

I think what's really wrong with this kid is a lack of personal identity.

He had no idea who he was, didn't feel like he "belonged" anywhere, didn't have any people.

So he identified with the first radical thing he found on the Internet.

I think that with him it was going to be "something" (either racial, or religious, or sex/gender related, or whatever) and he just landed on some kind of retarded understanding of neo-Nazism before he got to Islam or abortion clinic bombing, or stalking/serial killing.

And I don't say that to excuse the guy.

He killed nine people. For my money he should swing from the business end of a rope.

I just don't think he did what he did out of any real hatred or because he seriously expected he was going to effect any real change in society.

Sure, he said that he wanted to start "the race war", but that doesn't even make any real sense.

White people everywhere are supposed to rise up in fury because some kid killed a bunch of innocent, church-going people?

That comes from sort of delusion of grandeur and a total disassociation with how real people relate to each other.

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Moon said:

Because some people will use that classification to try to silence conservatives, and who knows, may even try to criminalize some aspects of conservative positions based on the terrorist label. There are already several threads and posts trying to blame conservative policies.

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Well, if you listen to the fruit loops at the Southern Poverty Law Center conservatives are terrorists. There is lots of talk about the confederate flag, which during the civil war was a symbol of the democrats as they fought against the abolitionists in the Republican party.

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Kreton said:

Classifying can serve a much bigger purpose which can help fight the groups that are driving alot of these attacks. Kind of like RICO and organized crime. These racist groups or hate groups should be combated the same way the Mafia/Al Queda/ ISIS are.

I dont really care if Roof is labeled a terrorist. I want the Council of Conservative Citizens, the KKK, the New Black Panthers and many others treated as terrorist organizations.

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I don't think we should go around and label every group we don't like a terrorist group. If we did that and I were in charge, Chelsea Clinton would be perp walked for her roll in managing the Clinton Crime operation.

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sawdust said:

I don't think we should go around and label every group we don't like a terrorist group. If we did that and I were in charge, Chelsea Clinton would be perp walked for her roll in managing the Clinton Crime operation.

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I am not talking about every group we dont like. But these groups actively breed hate within our society. People who follow them are basically encouraged to act against some Americans. How is that any different than Al Queda?

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Moot said:

Don't you want people to discuss what caused the killer to do what he did?

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Is there a possible explanation that will excuse his actions? He did this so that people in the media will give him his 15 minutes of fame.It is the same thing with the Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut and other mass shootings.Social outcast suicidal losers who murdered innocent people to get their 15 minutes of fame and the useful idiots in the media give them that 15 minutes of fame.Sometimes these social outcast suicidal losers chicken out of offing themselves, the cops do not show up in time or people manage to subdue the killer and that killer is not shot to death.



A Canadian news network refuses to broadcast a mass shooter's name | Public Radio International
On June 4, a gunman in Moncton, New Brunswick, killed three Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers and injured two others. Police launched a massive manhunt, eventually capturing their suspect. But after the shooting, the Canadian news outlet Sun News made a decision that might seem surprising. They chose not to broadcast details about the Moncton shooter — not his name, not his photo, no personal details.


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There is research from a variety of fields on how media coverage can potentially lead to an increase in violent acts. A study of mass murders in Australia, New Zealand and Britain concluded that shootings happen in clusters, not as individual instances. The Center for Disease Control and Prevention has published guidelines on how the media should report on suicides. And sociologist Zeynep Tufekci wrote in The Atlantic that the "tornado of media coverage" may be creating a "vicious cycle of copycat effects similar to those found in teen and other suicides."
Many shooters seem to have a common interest in previous deadly gun attacks. The Sandy Hook shooter had a reported fascination with mass murders, particularly the Columbine school shooting. The two Columbine shooters said they wanted a movie to be made about them one day. And the Santa Barbara shooter posted numerous videos on YouTube, giving his violent and misogynistic missives the potential for a worldwide audience.

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jamesrage said:

Is there a possible explanation that will excuse his actions? He did this so that people in the media will give him his 15 minutes of fame.It is the same thing with the Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut and other mass shootings.Social outcast suicidal losers who murdered innocent people to get their 15 minutes of fame and the useful idiots in the media give them that 15 minutes of fame.Sometimes these social outcast suicidal losers chicken out of offing themselves, the cops do not show up in time or people manage to subdue the killer and that killer is not shot to death.

A Canadian news network refuses to broadcast a mass shooter's name | Public Radio International
On June 4, a gunman in Moncton, New Brunswick, killed three Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers and injured two others. Police launched a massive manhunt, eventually capturing their suspect. But after the shooting, the Canadian news outlet Sun News made a decision that might seem surprising. They chose not to broadcast details about the Moncton shooter — not his name, not his photo, no personal details.


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There is research from a variety of fields on how media coverage can potentially lead to an increase in violent acts. A study of mass murders in Australia, New Zealand and Britain concluded that shootings happen in clusters, not as individual instances. The Center for Disease Control and Prevention has published guidelines on how the media should report on suicides. And sociologist Zeynep Tufekci wrote in The Atlantic that the "tornado of media coverage" may be creating a "vicious cycle of copycat effects similar to those found in teen and other suicides."
Many shooters seem to have a common interest in previous deadly gun attacks. The Sandy Hook shooter had a reported fascination with mass murders, particularly the Columbine school shooting. The two Columbine shooters said they wanted a movie to be made about them one day. And the Santa Barbara shooter posted numerous videos on YouTube, giving his violent and misogynistic missives the potential for a worldwide audience.

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That's interesting because a few days ago I made a conscious decision to stop using his name as well. Now I just call him "the killer" and other assorted adjectives. But I am curious what motivates someone like that to see if there are patterns and similarties with the other mass killers and the need for attention does seem to be one of those similarties. The more we learn to recognize some of the symptoms the easier it might be to prevent some of these horrendous crimes from happening in the future.

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since there was no multiple choice i answered "it was a terrorist act" because by definition it is

but it was also a nut job and it was also a hate crime :shrug:

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AGENT J said:

since there was no multiple choice i answered "it was a terrorist act" because by definition it is

but it was also a nut job and it was also a hate crime :shrug:

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Plutonium engaged in a terrorist act when he set up this poll because he did not allow us to vote for all three.