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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    What difference does it make if it is a bee or a tomahawk missile?

    After all, they both fly through the air and deliver a sting.
    That doesn't address his point. He's asking what does it matter after-the-fact when there is only one option.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Certainly for the little 5 year old who played dead and escaped death, it was and will be an act of terror, perhaps forever in that little person's life. In that the group was purposely targeted because of their race it was a unquestionably a hate crime.

    Roof's actions were intended to be terrorizing but he failed. The strong and good families and congregation of the church almost immediately refused to be terrorized. Even in their immense grief, even in the soul shattering early morning hours the next day family members, the congregation and black community of Charleston refused to be terrorized.

    Roof certainly may have intended to terrorize but the families of the victims and the church congregation would not accept it. They are so much better and so much stronger than the hatred and the harm thrown in their path.

    The strength of family and the power of character of their fine congregation is a testament to their religious faith. That is unquestionable. It is a shame that message isn't getting the media attention it deserves.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by plutonium View Post
    Since the 9-11 terrorist attack I believe USA have named acts of terrorism.. one I heard was that even if a gang threatens or hurt innocent people it is an act of terrorism ..if a Muslim kills an American it is an act of terrorism. radical Muslims hate Americans right? and if they kill a group of Americans like in Boston they were called terrorist well this boy hated blacks Americans and he killed a group of Americans does that make him a terrorist? or does the color make the difference between terrorism and a hate crime? what do you think. sorry for the miss spelling of the poll heading should read (Was the South Carolina church shooting an act of terrorism)
    There is a distinction to be made between crime sufficiently horrible to illicit fear amongst a population, and terrorism.

    I don't see lone wolves as terrorists. Hateful, destructive, and certainly installing fear and terror in many, but without an organization behind him that can benefit in some way from his act, it's just rage and hatred... Yet no less terrible.

    To me, terrorism speaks to a larger agenda shared actively by several or many people. Goals and objectives (beyond killing to settle a score)

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Certainly for the little 5 year old who played dead and escaped death, it was and will be an act of terror, perhaps forever in that little person's life. In that the group was purposely targeted because of their race it was a unquestionably a hate crime.

    Roof's actions were intended to be terrorizing but he failed. The strong and good families and congregation of the church almost immediately refused to be terrorized. Even in their immense grief, even in the soul shattering early morning hours the next day family members, the congregation and black community of Charleston refused to be terrorized.

    Roof certainly may have intended to terrorize but the families of the victims and the church congregation would not accept it. They are so much better and so much stronger than the hatred and the harm thrown in their path.

    The strength of family and the power of character of their fine congregation is a testament to their religious faith. That is unquestionable. It is a shame that message isn't getting the media attention it deserves.
    I'm going to guess that this was not his aim, overall. He wanted to terrorize society in general, and to shock people into (his desired) action. The victims and their families were just fodder for a means to his (hoped for) end.

    In other words, nothing personal, just business.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    There is a distinction to be made between crime sufficiently horrible to illicit fear amongst a population, and terrorism.

    I don't see lone wolves as terrorists. Hateful, destructive, and certainly installing fear and terror in many, but without an organization behind him that can benefit in some way from his act, it's just rage and hatred... Yet no less terrible.

    To me, terrorism speaks to a larger agenda shared actively by several or many people. Goals and objectives (beyond killing to settle a score)

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    These are my initial thoughts ass well. I don't really think of a true "lone wolf's" actions as being terrorism, depending on their motive. But, even tough he was technically acting alone, he was also acting influenced by others and hoping he would affect action by others for a bigger cause than just himself.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Certainly for the little 5 year old who played dead and escaped death, it was and will be an act of terror, perhaps forever in that little person's life.
    In that the group was purposely targeted because of their race it was a unquestionably a hate crime.

    Roof's actions were intended to be terrorizing but he failed. The strong and good families and congregation of the church almost immediately refused to be terrorized. Even in their immense grief, even in the soul shattering early morning hours the next day family members, the congregation and black community of Charleston refused to be terrorized.

    Roof certainly may have intended to terrorize but the families of the victims and the church congregation would not accept it. They are so much better and so much stronger than the hatred and the harm thrown in their path.

    The strength of family and the power of character of their fine congregation is a testament to their religious faith. That is unquestionable. It is a shame that message is getting the media attention it deserves.


    I totally agree with your great post. Roof's horrible action will have a result exactly opposite to what he hoped for.

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Whatever it was, the guy worked alone, was nuts and is now in custody and there is no way he will ever be released.

    What difference does it make whether it was a terrorist act or not?
    That may or may not be accurate. He went in to the church alone, but does that really mean he worked alone? How much responsibility do those who taught him to hate bear? Or those who knew prior that he was going to do something who failed to take action?
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    There is a distinction to be made between crime sufficiently horrible to illicit fear amongst a population, and terrorism.

    I don't see lone wolves as terrorists. Hateful, destructive, and certainly installing fear and terror in many, but without an organization behind him that can benefit in some way from his act, it's just rage and hatred... Yet no less terrible.

    To me, terrorism speaks to a larger agenda shared actively by several or many people. Goals and objectives (beyond killing to settle a score)

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    He walked into the church alone but there are many that share his views.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    He walked into the church alone but there are many that share his views.
    My opinion on this subject is evolving. I initially did not see this as terrorism. It was certainly a heinous act done by a mentally unstable person. After listening to discussion and hearing some definitions I accept the definition of terrorism prophered by some. I don't know why it matters though.

    In addition, I don't know what a hate crime is. I understand the categories but it seems to me that a crime is a crime and adding the hate crime suffex does little to change that fact. Do we get to put criminals in jail and as the door closes tell them they suck as well as punishment for the hate crime?
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    My opinion on this subject is evolving. I initially did not see this as terrorism. It was certainly a heinous act done by a mentally unstable person. After listening to discussion and hearing some definitions I accept the definition of terrorism prophered by some. I don't know why it matters though.

    In addition, I don't know what a hate crime is. I understand the categories but it seems to me that a crime is a crime and adding the hate crime suffex does little to change that fact. Do we get to put criminals in jail and as the door closes tell them they suck as well as punishment for the hate crime?
    I agree with hate crime nonsense. Violent crimes are hate crimes regardless of why.

    But with the terrorism I think we should start viewing these groups who teach hate, and spread this propaganda, and push others to act against Americans as terrorism groups. Start actively taking these groups, their websites, their hate down like we do with many external hate groups. Start arresting suspected members. And not just the white hate groups, all of them.
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