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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    I think it is, yes.
    Targeting civilians who've had nothing to do with him? Check.
    Doing it so to advance an ideological/political goal? Check.
    Attempting to spread terror among the members of the targeted group? Check.
    Thus it is terrorism.

    That the victims were picked based on their race simply makes it a hate crime along with being an act of terrorism, sort of like how Hezbollah will target Jews from outside Israel to advance its agenda against Israel or how the Islamic State targets non-Sunnis from all around the world.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    What do we gain by labeling it "terrorism"?
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Whatever it was, the guy worked alone, was nuts and is now in custody and there is no way he will ever be released.

    What difference does it make whether it was a terrorist act or not?
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What do we gain by labeling it "terrorism"?
    Is being honest about this enough gain, it seems like it would be to me. If we cannot be honest about what happened then why bother with discussion?
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    He killed in order to achieve a sociopolitical end. If that isn't terrorism, what is?
    I'm going to agree with you on this. Although not the typical terrorist act like the Muslim extremists we've come to get used to. By definition it was political though. Apparently he was trying to start a civil war.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm going to agree with you on this. Although not the typical terrorist act like the Muslim extremists we've come to get used to. By definition it was political though. Apparently he was trying to start a civil war.
    Then I think we are close to being done here, his intentions seem to indicate terrorism for the purpose of starting a racial driven conflict. To up end society by fright and shock, I think the term fits.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Whatever it was, the guy worked alone, was nuts and is now in custody and there is no way he will ever be released.

    What difference does it make whether it was a terrorist act or not?
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Then I think we are close to being done here, his intentions seem to indicate terrorism for the purpose of starting a racial driven conflict. To up end society by fright and shock, I think the term fits.
    Yes, I think so because he didn't know any of the people personally. So I don't think it was a personal vendetta, but racially driven to change politics.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Is being honest about this enough gain, it seems like it would be to me. If we cannot be honest about what happened then why bother with discussion?
    Honesty is good. So is consistency. We should be careful to not overdo it, though, and apply the label to things that aren't really terrorism... as we* are wont to do when emotion kicks in. Hence, the discussion is ALWAYS appropriate.

    For example, in this case (Charleston shootings) I would absolutely agree it's terrorism. He had a political agenda. In the case of a mass shooting directed against co-workers because the shooter felt slighted (personal vendetta) I would not categorize as terrorism, but many people would.

    My question has another facet, too. Ok, we have a mass shooting. The guy is going down. We pretty much know that. In our trial and penalty, what will adding a definition of terrorism change from what he's already going to get?

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