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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    It has been my experience that the term "terrorism" is usually defined according to a person's agenda rather than using any sort of concrete criteria, and is either expanded or limited according to such an agenda. Radical leftists defending Islamist terrorism like to expand the term by what they describe as "state terrorism", which includes any scenario in which people die. The hard right tends to exclude any action that does not fit the template of Islamic actions carried out for Jihad.

    In the case of the church shootings, yes, it is terrorism because it fits the criteria for inclusion as defined. It is also a hate crime for the same reason.

    As to those prattling on with their misunderstanding of the term "hate crime" and who lack the ability to distinguish between it and another crime, I would point out that a hate crime is committed against a random person because of what they represent, and not because of previous contact between the two parties involved or as a result of robbery or other criminal actions. As such, the act affects a much wider group of people because of the intimidating effects. A drug dealer killing another drug dealer over a turf war affects only those people and their associates. Killing people because of their race affects all people of that race.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by plutonium View Post
    Since the 9-11 terrorist attack I believe USA have named acts of terrorism.. one I heard was that even if a gang threatens or hurt innocent people it is an act of terrorism ..if a Muslim kills an American it is an act of terrorism. radical Muslims hate Americans right? and if they kill a group of Americans like in Boston they were called terrorist well this boy hated blacks Americans and he killed a group of Americans does that make him a terrorist? or does the color make the difference between terrorism and a hate crime? what do you think. sorry for the miss spelling of the poll heading should read (Was the South Carolina church shooting an act of terrorism)
    All of these crimes have something in common which is hatred.

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    All of these crimes have something in common which is hatred.
    And crazy.

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It is also a hate crime for the same reason.
    I was reading some information earlier that stated that South Carolina has never been able to get a hate crime bill passed so they don't actually have any hate crime laws on their books.

    I checked other sources to verify it because I thought surely that can't be right. Unfortunately it is.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    I was reading some information earlier that stated that South Carolina has never been able to get a hate crime bill passed so they don't actually have any hate crime laws on their books.

    I checked other sources to verify it because I thought surely that can't be right. Unfortunately it is.
    This doesn't surprise me.The same people that just cannot understand that anybody would see their Confederate state flag in terms of the image it projects would have no use for hate crime laws.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    But South Carolina does have the death penalty. I don't know whether confessing takes this off the table, but having confessed to nine murders, Dylann Roof will never be free again, so whether "hate crime" can be attached doesn't matter.

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Not terrorism.

    Not a "hate crime".

    Just your good, ol' fashioned, vanilla mass murder.
    Though I think you are right as this individual was apparently going to go on a shooting spree of some sort sooner or later, his stated goals in the shooting spree that he did commit was to "start a race war". That is a political objective and makes the crime and act of terrorism. The fact that he targetted blacks specifically also makes it a hate crime.

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    But South Carolina does have the death penalty. I don't know whether confessing takes this off the table, but having confessed to nine murders, Dylann Roof will never be free again, so whether "hate crime" can be attached doesn't matter.
    What you have is a hate crime that South Carolina cannot officially recognise as such even though the Charleston Police Chief, the Mayor and the FBI are defining the incident as a hate crime.

    Why did you use quotation marks for "hate crime" Nota?
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

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    Republican, Fox News caused Terrorist Act.


    maybe the most ridiculous comment about this tragedy we have seen so far
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    I was reading some information earlier that stated that South Carolina has never been able to get a hate crime bill passed so they don't actually have any hate crime laws on their books.

    I checked other sources to verify it because I thought surely that can't be right. Unfortunately it is.
    maybe in some cases, the lack of a hate crime statute may lead to too light a sentence

    in this case, it has no relevance given 9 counts of first degree premeditated murder means that this shooter is toast. pure and simple. and there are plenty of people in law enforcement that wonder about the usefulness of "hate crime" designations. rather we are better off with what is called "aggravating" circumstances that don't appear to be the product of political correctness or pandering to various interest groups
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