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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Janet Napolitano said in 2009 that we aren't supposed to use the term "terrorism" anymore. She said we're to call it a "man-caused disaster".

    He was a man. He caused a disaster. He was probably filled with rage. He wanted to instill fear.

    Does it matter?
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Perhaps it was reported earlier, but I just heard on CNN that the Justice Department is now looking into this as an act of terrorism. Seems it bit odd to me, considering that President Obama and his administration were loathe to use the term "terrorism" to describe other acts, such as the Fort Hood shootings, as terrorism. Now, suddenly, this incident is getting the full on treatment from the Department of Justice.

    The definition of terrorism, to my understanding, is an action taken that attacks innocent, random people with the intent of changing government action or policy. I'm not seeing, from what has been uncovered so far, that this has anything to do with terrorism. But it is nice to see that the administration has brought the term out of hiding.
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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    The problem is anyone committing a crime such as this is mentally disturbed. All people are prejudice. All people hate to some degree. Even if you only hate people who commit crimes like this. The difference is most people use the reasoning and logical part of their brain to handle these emotions effectively. I personally believe these people who commit these crimes have brain damage and are not capable of controlling their emotions. I hope one day we will evolve enough to accurately diagnose these people and cure them before such things happen. The only way way this can happen is if and when we acknowledge there is a problem and start to work to that end.

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Not that it should much matter, but given the stated motive, yes, it was terrorism.

    The relevant criminal charge is multiple counts of murder, and this guy is a monster who belongs in a cell for the rest of his life, just like anyone else who takes human lives in aggression.

    "Hate crime" is thought crime, however, and no one who values personal freedom can ever support "hate crime" prosecution.

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    There was no political intent as far as I have heard - so - probably not a terror attack. It looks like a definite racism attack.

    But, at the end of the day - it wouldn't have happened had the kid not been bat-**** crazy. Sane folks don't do that.
    If, as reported, his intent was to start a race war, that is a political motive.


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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Is racially motivated crime terrorism? I dont know.

    Anecdotal but: when I travel to other countries I get identified by my nationality, not by my race. When I go back to the US I seem to be defined by my race- its on government forms, its on the news, its everywhere. I think as a country we seem overly obsessed with race even though there is no scientific basis for it- its a cultural/social construct. What we need to do is to start eliminating race as a concept both legally and culturally- I believe its the only way we can move forward.

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Janet Napolitano said in 2009 that we aren't supposed to use the term "terrorism" anymore. She said we're to call it a "man-caused disaster".

    He was a man. He caused a disaster. He was probably filled with rage. He wanted to instill fear.

    Does it matter?
    Quote please.

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post

    "Hate crime" is thought crime, however, and no one who values personal freedom can ever support "hate crime" prosecution.
    Oh boy.

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    Re: Was the South Carolina church shootings an act of terrorism

    Is trying to begin a race war a terrorist act?

    Whatever his alleged motives, Dylann Storm Roof is a mass murderer.

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    Re: Was the South Carolina chuch shootings an act of terrorism

    it is a terrorist attack caused by hate ..
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