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    Re: Do You Support Fast Track (TPP/TPA)?

    20:3 against fast tracking this latest piece of ****.

    thumbs up, DP. well done.

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    Re: Do You Support Fast Track (TPP/TPA)?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Tell me everything that's in it and I'll tell you if I support it.
    Fast Track Authority allows the Executive to negotiate on behalf of the United States when it comes to trade deals, and then requires that the trade deal be presented to Congress for an up-or-down vote prior to being enforced.

    In short, it keeps Congress from trying to to the State Departments' job, and keeps the Executive from trying to do the Legislature's job. Apparently it's this newfangled theory called "Separation of Powers", or some such.

    Unfortunately, because the Executive at current is headed by someone named "Obama" some conservatives are going full-head-spinning-360-while-spewing-vomit on it, and because the bills contain the word "Trade", some liberals are doing the same. It's a weird alliance between the far right types and Labor Unions and their lackeys', right now.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Do You Support Fast Track (TPP/TPA)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Well damn. I completely misunderstood what was going on with this. I was under the impression this was being suggested as a means to allow more American exports into other countries.
    Yup. DemSocialist is right - these kinds of things will indeed slow the utilization of information.

    Like, for example, the use of copywrited and patented plans and content. It's a way to keep southeast asian countries from simply taking whatever America makes and then making a bunch of cheap knockoffs through intellectual theft.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Do You Support Fast Track (TPP/TPA)?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Negative consequences on internet freedom, and copyrights: https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp
    Corporate influence and economic sovereignty: Now We Know Why Huge TPP Trade Deal Is Kept Secret From the Public*|*Dave Johnson
    List of some negative aspects with drug prices, internet freedom, banking: What Is the Trans Pacific Partnership?*|*Judy Frankel


    So. When asked about why Trade Promotion Authority and Fast Track is bad....

    ....you list a bunch of reasons why the Trans Pacific Partnership is bad......




    Dude. That's like listing off a bunch of reasons why you don't like the ACA as an argument against Congress' ability to vote on legislation. The two are different things.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Do You Support Fast Track (TPP/TPA)?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Fast Track Authority allows the Executive to negotiate on behalf of the United States when it comes to trade deals, and then requires that the trade deal be presented to Congress for an up-or-down vote prior to being enforced.

    In short, it keeps Congress from trying to to the State Departments' job, and keeps the Executive from trying to do the Legislature's job. Apparently it's this newfangled theory called "Separation of Powers", or some such.

    Unfortunately, because the Executive at current is headed by someone named "Obama" some conservatives are going full-head-spinning-360-while-spewing-vomit on it, and because the bills contain the word "Trade", some liberals are doing the same. It's a weird alliance between the far right types and Labor Unions and their lackeys', right now.
    If it is that simple I will not have an issue with it. I doubt it's that simple and as time goes by, details will come out.
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    Re: Do You Support Fast Track (TPP/TPA)?

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    I don't support fast-track anything, except emergency aid relief...


    All Fast Track means is that it is an up or down vote - Congress doesn't get to renegotiate the trade deal, that's the Executives' job. It doesn't mean that Congress has to pass it in any length of time, or even that they have to pass it. It just means they can't amend it. This is the exact same process that we already have in place for Treaties.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Do You Support Fast Track (TPP/TPA)?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    If it is that simple I will not have an issue with it. I doubt it's that simple and as time goes by, details will come out.
    Fast Track and Trade Promotion Authority =/= the actual Trans Pacific Partnership. People are trying to conflate unlike issues.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Do You Support Fast Track (TPP/TPA)?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    And that's the crux. What's the hurry? Why the secrecy? It's not like this is something that is so super-critical time wise that it must be done right now, damn the torpedoes.

    No. Be methodical. Be open. I hate the phrase "If you have nothing to hide...", but in this case I cannot help but think that.



    Okay. How many people in this thread think that FT/TPA = TPP?
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Do You Support Fast Track (TPP/TPA)?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    So. When asked about why Trade Promotion Authority and Fast Track is bad....

    ....you list a bunch of reasons why the Trans Pacific Partnership is bad......




    Dude. That's like listing off a bunch of reasons why you don't like the ACA as an argument against Congress' ability to vote on legislation. The two are different things.
    Uhhh what. The whole point of TPA is to give authority to authorize this agreement, which includes these parts....
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    Re: Do You Support Fast Track (TPP/TPA)?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Uhhh what. The whole point of TPA is to give authority to authorize this agreement, which includes these parts....
    Giving the President the ability to negotiate without Congressional interference and then present the trade deal to Congress for an up or down vote is an independent issue from the Trade Pacific Partnership itself.

    One of them is a separation of powers, and the other is a trade deal that requires congressional approval. The Executive would retain the ability to present trade deals to Congress and have them actually vote on them after the TPP either passed (which I hope it does) or failed.
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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